Track day preparation

Discussion in 'UK Motorcycles' started by Eddie, Apr 21, 2005.

  1. Eddie

    dwb Guest

    I tried that - the bloke in question's pet hanger on (so _obviously_ trying
    to look cool to his 'mates') decided he'd try and 'threaten' me - being a
    calm bloke I wandered off, but it was nice to have the biggest bloke I've
    ever seen tell me in passing that "they've been noticed, they will be spoken
    to".

    That and I reported the twat to the officials. I'm sure someone will call me
    a tosser now :)

    As it was they were even slower than I was and the only time the bloke got
    ahead of me he fell off the track, so flip wibble etc.
     
    dwb, Apr 21, 2005
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  2. Eddie

    sorby Guest

    Hehe - I like it.
    I'm not one for dobbing people in as a rule but if you've 'knocked once' and
    they're not getting the message (and your a big girl's blouse like you and
    me) then grassing them up is the next best thing you can do - if the
    alternative is getting punted off by the twat.
    Heh. Result!
     
    sorby, Apr 21, 2005
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  3. Eddie

    Monkey Guest

    And riding home after a track evening with your rear light and numberplate
    still taped over is a little naughty too.
     
    Monkey, Apr 21, 2005
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  4. Eddie

    Monkey Guest

    Don't over-prepare. If your bike is set up OK and safe for the road, it
    should be OK for your first track day.

    A write-up of my first track day should be lurking on Google Groups
    somewhere.... ah, here it is:
    http://makeashorterlink.com/?P25852FEA


    Incidentally, anyone else doing the ESS Pace day at Brands on 9th May?
     
    Monkey, Apr 21, 2005
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  5. Eddie

    sorby Guest

    Well, yes, but the problem with the kamikaze riders is that they take you
    /unawares/ and steal your line, forcing you to take avoiding action once you
    have already committed to the corner. [1a]
    However, if I *did* have enough spare attention to shoulder-check for the
    guys whose egos wouldn't let them ride in a faster group (for fear of being
    the slowest) then I really ought to have been going faster & probably
    deserved a few wake-up calls.
    Of course!

    [1a] *Obviously* this hasn't happened to me in a long time *g* - but when I
    started out doing trackdays it happened often enough.
     
    sorby, Apr 21, 2005
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  6. Eddie

    Monkey Guest

    This is my big problem with track days - I really can't be arsed to 'learn
    the track' methodically. I just ride round and get a feel for it, but I'd
    never be able to tell you exactly where I started to brake for a corner or
    whatever. Although I'd like to go faster, trying hard to learn all the
    markers just makes it all seem like a bit too much hard work.
     
    Monkey, Apr 21, 2005
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  7. Eddie

    sorby Guest

    Considering the time, hassle, preparation and cost involved with doing a
    trackday learning the location of one braking point per corner seems
    effortless by comparison.
     
    sorby, Apr 21, 2005
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  8. I'm glad you said that, 'cos I read it a while ago and while I don't
    doubt that it contains all sorts of useful info for people who, unlike
    me, have enough experience to make use of it, the lasting impression I
    had of the book was that it was written in the style of a complete twat
    with a chronic superiority complex.

    Actually, I've grabbed it off the shelf and noticed that I have a "Twist
    of the Wrist II" - maybe Vol.1 is less condescending. The "Definitions"
    section at the end of each chapter just takes the piss.
     
    Lemmiwinks, The Gerbil King, Apr 21, 2005
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  9. Eddie

    sorby Guest

    *I* know that. But you said "pull to the edge and ride slowly down the
    straight ...." which sort of implies some kind of prior warning they're
    coming.
    Again - How do I know they are there until it's too late?

    You've said it in the past - you shouldn't have to worry about what's going
    on behind you.
     
    sorby, Apr 21, 2005
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  10. Eddie

    Colin Irvine Guest

    I've got a copy of both books, if you want to borrow them.
     
    Colin Irvine, Apr 21, 2005
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  11. Eddie

    Eddie Guest

    Thanks, but it's a bit late to be swotting up now, I think.

    Busy this weekend, working too much next week, and the track day's on
    Friday.
     
    Eddie, Apr 21, 2005
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  12. Eddie

    Krusty Guest

    I was lucky enough to have a tyre expert with me on my first (& so far
    only) trackday. I had Sportecs fitted which I usually run at 35/39, &
    he said 29/31 for the track, which felt pretty spot-on once up to temp.

    Your tyres *will* get quite a bit hotter on the track, unless the roads
    you usually ride consist of 20 minute stretches of never-ending bends.
    Hotter tyres = higher hot pressures, so you need to start off lower
    than usual. I'd drop them by 4-5 psi if I were you, unless it is wet &
    you plan on riding very gently.
     
    Krusty, Apr 22, 2005
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  13. Eddie

    Eddie Guest

    Their ego would rather look fast in the slow group than look mediocre in
    the intermediate group, I suspect.
     
    Eddie, Apr 22, 2005
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  14. Eddie

    Krusty Guest

    I think I must be too considerate for track riding in that case. I
    always checked towards the end of the straight, & if there was someone
    behind who was obviously faster, I'd back-off & let them through so as
    not to spoil their fun through the twisty bits.

    It was my first trackday though, & as it was near the Swiss border & I
    still had to ride home, I was very aware of the grief it would cause if
    someone did do something a bit daft to pass me.
     
    Krusty, Apr 22, 2005
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  15. Eddie

    Champ Guest

    I understand this sort of thinking, but it really doesn't help anyone.

    Anyone approaching you to overtake has to decide whether he can get
    past in time for the corner. He may well have concluded that he can't
    - if you then look behind and slow unexpectedly, that's *more* likely
    to cause problems, imo. Add to this that you should be concentrating
    100% on your riding, not thinking about people behind you, and
    certainly not looking for them as you approach the braking zone.
     
    Champ, Apr 22, 2005
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  16. Eddie

    Eddie Guest

    Aye, but you get something like 150 miles to reserve, don't you?
    That's true - there's a lot of pottering round to start with, which
    isn't /too/ bad on the Bandit.
    I suspect I will.

    I swear you can actual *see* the fuel gauge dropping on that bike.
    Incredible.
     
    Eddie, Apr 22, 2005
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  17. Eddie

    Eddie Guest

    You told me last time, but I think I still need to see it with my own eyes.
    I think that's going to be one of the main problems: not whether people
    are fast or slow, but whether they're consistent; where they start
    braking, what line they take round a corner.
    I'll wait and see, but from what you've said before, I suspect I might
    do the same.
     
    Eddie, Apr 22, 2005
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  18. Eddie

    Krusty Guest

    Well if you put it that way... I'll be back at the same track at the
    end of July, so I'll try to have a slightly different attitude,
    especially as I won't have to nurse my tyres for the ride home this
    time (new ones will be fitted before leaving the track).
     
    Krusty, Apr 22, 2005
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  19. Eddie

    Ace Guest

    Which track?

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    Ace, Apr 22, 2005
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  20. Eddie

    Champ Guest

    A similar phenononem can be seen with club racers who never bother
    trading up from their novice license - they may have been racing for
    three years, and still enter the novice race at each meeting.
     
    Champ, Apr 22, 2005
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