[QUOTE="Monkey"] Tosspot wrote: [QUOTE] [1] Who dreamed up that name? Do they still use it of have they renamed it 'the unstable' position?[/QUOTE] Beginners' kit these days is so massively wide, I'm guessing it's a lot more stable a position than it was when I (and I'm guessing you) learnt.[/QUOTE] To damn right, first time I saw one it was 'Where's the fucking dagger board?', followed by, 'Good Lord, I can jog across this'. As an old timer though, the upwind performance is so bollix I'd like the 320s with a dagger board back. I must be getting old, but, I've just signed up for Dahab again, so watch this space for 'Gippers Windsurfing' :(