TMRA 2 .. DFW Chapter

You were a redneck before rednecks were cool.

 

Okay, let's backtrack here. This branch of the thread started when you
stated:

Albert reply was:

To which you came back with:

So Albert came back with:

Your reply in response to Albert's claim was to state:

That message went on to describe a list of details pointing out
certain features on Hondas and how they were not like a Harley. Some
of which were not applicable to the current Shadow but more specific
to the year you have. That's when I stuck my nose in to all this to
and commented about how a couple of your points were in reference to
how Honda did indeed give their Shadow Harley like features over the
years. At this point the discussion was about Shadows in general and
you were challenging the claim about Hondas being Harley like. Albert
had commented how he felt the current Hondas being Harley like. You
stated that that was incorrect as there is no similarity between the
two and that is where I disagree and threw in my two cents. But as I
said Albert was targeting Shadows in general, not your exact bike.
From the way I read it it was you that turned the subject from generic
Shadows to being aimed at your Shadow. In reply to some of my messages
about the older Shadows like yours Albert has acknowledge that the
older Shadows were okay and that it was the newer stuff that was
guilty of the charge of being a copy the most.

As I've said before your Shadow was the last of the real Hondas but
since then they have become nothing but a Harley clone. They do not
need to look like a Harley to be in the cruiser arena as there are
cruiser bikes that fit the bill without being styled after a Harley.
The cruiser label is used to define a generic style of bike, it has
nothing to do with it having features that look almost exactly like a
competitor. Honda and the others in the Big 4 have taking features
from Harleys and copied them, that there is no denying. And the sole
purpose to doing so is to duplicate the exact looks of a Harley. It
wasn't just so the bike would be called a cruiser as they were already
called such a thing before they became more Harley like.

Ruppster
sportster at dodge-semis dot com

 

ROTFL.... NOW... that's what I'm talking...

 

I agree with you, Bill. I have been a redneck a lot longer (not as
long as you though) then Jeff Foxworthy has been around to make being
a redneck something that was cool. Yet your son's constant harping on
rednecks and his equating them to "nut jobs" is assinine. Your son has
made some good points in some of his messages only to end up with some
redneck are idiots or nut jobs comment. Seems to me a poor way to wrap
up a good post with a uncalled for statement.

Ruppster

 

(Ruppster says)
‘‘As far as who came out with a factory fairing first, Honda
or Harley, I could not tell you. Since I don't know I can't
say who copied who. The point about the touring bikes is that while the
Harley bagger may be similar to a Honda GW as far as having a fairing,
saddlebags, and a trunk that is where the similarity ends. (ruppster)

‘‘Looking back, I think the GW was the first to really have a
large fairing’’ The HD had a bit of a faring, not nearly as big and
as smoothly designed into the frame as did Honda's GW, around
1985.’’ Of course theres a distinct difference, I just meant that a
fully dressed big old Hog Harley, resembles (to Me), a Goldwing.
Others may not see the similarity. We've got this friend who has an 04
Bagger, with all the plastic, and it resembles a GWing, some bit! (To
me) (wink)
(BJAY)
‘‘Harley did not do like Honda did
and go as far as to restyle the engine to look or sound like its
competitor or copy styling ques to mimic the exact look of the bike.
Visually there is no mistaking a Harley dresser for a GW as they are two
distinct looking bikes.’’
(Ruppster)

‘‘No doubt there. I agreeeeeee!’’
I wasn't in any way referring to the similarity of the engines, with
GW's big old 4 cylinder GL 1000'', like my first one. My first Wing
GL1000 1975, candy apple red, was a bare looking, stripped down
motorcycle. But I was the first one of my Gang to have one, and it
really looked unique. My next GW, years later, was a fully dressed
plastic fancy motorcycle,with CB, sterio, communication, lazy boy seat,
and so 4th. And now a days, they are like sitting in the cockpit of an
airliner, and they mite'near have auto pilot! (wink) (cheers)
(BJAY)

 

If someone has never seen a motorcycle before how would they know what
a Harley looks like to begin with? Sorry, just had to get that smart
as question out of the way. <g>

Lets start with your comment about the engine. If it had an air cooled
motor with cooling fins that would not be a problem I think air cooled
engines are great as they are simple in design and you don't have to
worry about coolant leaks. The engines on the Shadows are water
cooled. While I don't know if this still applies to new Hondas (I
would bet they still do it though) why did (does?) Honda add bolt on
fake cooling air cooling fins to a water cooled engine? This is the
key part to my claim that Honda made (makes?) the Shadow like a
Harley. There is no reason for fake cooling fins other then for looks.
Can you give me any other reason for them.

You are correct, it is not on all models. But they still do it to
several of the current Shadows. Of the 6 Shadow models 4 of them have
the "horn cover" (or is it a "toolbox" now?) on the right side. Why?
Honda used to mount the horn on the forks. The sole purpose to
mounting it on the right side was to give them a reason for a chrome
cover that was bigger then it needed to be to cover up something as
little as a horn. They can be put it in several different locations so
why put something in the "exact" same spot an air cleaner would be on
on a Harley if they are not trying to duplicate that feature of one?
As I have said many times not all model Shadow look like a Harley.
Some do more then others.

Good, glad to hear Honda hasn't jumped on the belt drive bandwagon
like some other companies in the Big 4.

Several Harley models have their gauges up on the triple tree. I like
them up on the triple tree as it is easier to keep on eye on your
gauges without having to take your eyes off the road. Several Harley
riders I know have the same feeling about this as I do.

Since they don't show a good pic of the handlebar controls I can't
comment about how they are designed.

A water cooled V-twin with fake air cooling. As I said they don't need
cooling fins yet Honda made a bolt on set for the "look". As far as
"Honda" being on the seat in big letters the pics don't show that
either.

You don't need to be sorry about anything. Just because someone thinks
they are a copy styled after a Harley doesn't mean they are stupid. It
is just their opinion, not a reflection of "poor" intelligence. So
quit putting people down for having a different opinion on how a bike
looks.

No, this is not "the" Honda Shadow. It is one of several different
models and the least of them all to look like a Harley. I will admit
that this one looks less like a Harley then any of the Shadows. But it
does have a few things. The chrome cover below the seat (battery
cover?), the exhaust system (Honda first had one pipe on each side so
why did they switch to placing both on the same side?), and the turn
signal housings (all Shadows have the same Harley styled turn signals
so I have left this one out of my bike by bike comparison below). At
least the front brake is on the right side (IIRC only the Springer
equipped Harleys have a right side front brake).

I thought Honda had upped the anti on their warranty coverage? Harley
went to 2 years/unlimited mileage coverage several years ago.

As I've stated several times my comments were about Shadows in
general. You picked the least Harley like of them all. Your points are
correct if you only use the VT1100 you referenced as the sole
representative of the Shadow lineup. But since there are 6 Shadows
overall I stand behind my Harley like comment on the general lineup.

Again, I never claimed they were a perfect copy of any one model
Harley but have used a mixture of features I consider to be taken
directly from Harleys in general. Since you only referenced the least
Harley like bike of them all lets take a look at the rest of the
Shadows.

First example:
http://powersports.honda.com/motorc...me=Shadow+Aero&ModelYear=2006&ModelId=VT750C6

Seat like a Softail, fake "air cleaner"on right side, chrome covers
around forks, front brake is now on the left like a Harley (what was
wrong with it on the ride side like the VT1100?), gauge on tank, cover
below the seat shaped almost like a oil tank on a Softail, they've
done a good job of hiding the fact that it's water cooled (can't see a
radiator from the side), and 2 tone paint similar to what harley has
used for years. At least it has regular shocks and not a copy of the
Softail rear suspension like a couple other Shadows do.

Next victim:
http://powersports.honda.com/motorc...ame=Shadow+VLX&ModelYear=2006&ModelId=VT600C6

Hardtail-style rear suspension like a Softail (why?), rear fender,
Softail style seat, fake "air cleaner"on right side, front brake is on
the left, cover below the seat shaped almost like a oil tank on a
Softail, and exhaust pipes on the same side.


Now on to:
http://powersports.honda.com/motorc...ow+VLX+Deluxe&ModelYear=2006&ModelId=VT600CD6

Similar to the above bike. Hardtail-style rear suspension, rear
fender, Softail style seat, fake "air cleaner"on right side, front
brake is on the left, cover below the seat shaped very similar to an
oil tank on a Softail, and exhaust pipes on the same side.


I think this one is nice looking:
http://powersports.honda.com/motorc...Shadow+Sabre&ModelYear=2006&ModelId=VT1100C26

On this one ,which is almost a Fatboy copy, they have added a big disk
brake on the right side of the rear wheel (all the other Shadows have
had rear drum brakes till now so why do this all of a sudden?). At
least it doesn't have the fake "air cleaner" but it still has the
chrome fork covers



Last but not least:
http://powersports.honda.com/motorc...w+Spirit+750&ModelYear=2006&ModelId=VT750DCA6

Very close to a Harley Dyna. Change the rear fender to one from the
Shadow Spirit (the VT1100 you referenced) and it would almost be
perfect.

So out of six different Shadow models 2 are almost perfect Softail
copies and one is so damn close to s Dyna its funny.

I never claimed the details that would give them away as a Honda
instead of a Harley were hard to find. The point is they are minor
details, not major ones. You have to pay particular attention to them
to tell that it wasn't a Harley. All Shadows (except the ones without
the fake "air cleaner") are so close to a harley in one shape or
another that it is very easy to mistake it for a Harley if you only
get a quick look at it when it goes by.

Okay, if you insist. I'll take your word for it. <g> You have the
right to feel as you do as I have the right to feel that most Shadows
are Harley copies.

A chopper is a generic term and not just limited to Harleys. I've eve
seen old BMW's chopped up. Anything can be turned in to a chopper and
that doesn't mean it is a Harley copy. So I don't see how it has any
relevance to the subject at hand.

My point about the one bike I referenced having a Harley like logo on
the tank (it wasn't a Shadow but a Vulcan) was just to show that some
people will go overboard and take a bike that is already close to a
Harley and make it even closer. I didn't say it was the bike
manufacturers fault. All they are guilty of is producing a bike that
is pretty damn close to a Harley to begin with. It doesn't take much
more to take it from there to a complete clone.

And as I have said before I am not bitching at Honda (or the rest of
the Big 4 that make Harley like cruisers) for making their bikes as
close to a Harley as they have (unless they go with a damn belt drive
then I will let Honda know how I think they screwed up <g>). If the
public wants it and they fit the demand more power to them. Who was
that that kept telling me if it looks like a duck it must be a duck?
Well, the same thing goes for bikes that are styled after Harleys.

Ruppster
sportster at dodge-semis dot com

 

If you have nothing against rednecks then why go out of your way to
target them specifically with "inflaming" remarks? If you want to
sling mud at republicans by calling them nut jobs there's no need to
drag rednecks in to the mess unless you have nothing better to do.

"Had a few that were friends"? What they do, get tired of the redneck
crap and leave? Yes, I know. Another stupid question but I still had

Yes, I agree with you on this one. I too hate poor running vehicles
that do nothing but pollute the air more so then necessary. And I hate
the site of torn up flags. Once they get to that point it is time for
a proper service to retire them.

Well, I can say it is safe to say I am not one of the type of rednecks
you hate. I have more respect for my trucks then to let them get that
run down or for a flag I have to become too torn up.

But I do have a question and I'm not trying to be a smart ass by
asking this. What is wrong with a yellow "Support the Troops" ribbon
on the back of a vehicle? I have seen a lot of these where a portion
of the proceeds go to organizations that do thing to support our
troops. And how do you know the person that owns the vehicle it is on
was not prior service and has already done his time in support of our
country? All they are doing is showing that they support our troops in
their own way. It does not mean they are happy the troops are doing
the job that they were given.

Ruppster

 

Its easy to do that since the grammar is severly wrong. If someone just
jumps in and doesn't have any idea of you or Bill then yes its easy to see
that it is an attack.

I'm not dishonest or disingenuous. You called it a bald faced lie on two
accounts. Although because I am familiar with the vets issue that at best is
a stretch. However the TMRA2 was not a lie and that has been shown. So we're
50/50 on this one. I took it too far on the vets and you took it too far on
TMRA2.

Yes after reading further posts I am well aware of that.

 

Maybe the 1100 does need them I don't know. The reason I claim they
don't was due to seeing several Shadow engines that were used in
custom bikes that the owners had removed the fins from and the bikes
ran just as fine without them. I asked one guy about the heat issue as
I thought even with the water cooling the fins might help dissipate
extra heat and the guy told me his engine temps stayed the same and
the bike didn't feel any hotter. I did not ask if it was a 750 or an
1100 so I may be wrong and the 100 does need them. But even my water
cooled 500 feels hot and it doesn't have bolt on cooling fins and
doesn't seem to need them. Honda has built a lot of water cooled bikes
over the years and none of them needed air cooled cooling fins to keep
the engine within operating temps. If Honda can do that with almost
all of their bikes why does the Shadow "need" them? I say they don't
but that is just my opinion. So my claim that they are fake is based
on seeing bikes run just as well without them and the fact that Honda
has built a lot of water cooled bikes without them also.

You are correct as the Spirit and the Sabre do not have them. They are
2 models in the 6 bike Shadow field. My claim was 4 of the 6 bikes
have then. If you subtract 4 from 6 you are left with 2. The 2 you are
talking about. As far as "what's with this toolbox thing?" someone
else mentioned about them being a toolbox so I wasn't sure if the
chrome cover was still for a horn or if it had changed in to a
toolbox, therefore I put a question mark next to the toolbox statement
to indicate I was not sure.

Okay, I will admit to being wrong on the cover being a cover and not
part of the horn but there are other places on the frame that they
could put the horn. Also, it appears 2 of the four Shadows I was
referring to actually have the carb and air filter in that location as
you mentioned below (thanks for pointing that out as that is another
Harley like feature <g>). But the other two Shadows have some sort of
chrome cover on the right side and they don't look like an air filter
cover. They are the 2 Shadows with a copy of the Softail rear end that
you did not comment on. Am I wrong on these two bikes too or just two
of the four bikes? Are the chrome covers on the Softail like models
truly an air filter cover and not some cover for something else?

Not all Harleys have the horn on the left side.

Again, I never claimed the Hondas were a copy of a harley but copied
harley like features. And I have pointed out many features to show
that they are Harley like, some of which you ignored (like the Softail
like models).

If you don't know of any bikes from the other Big 4 with a belt drive
then you haven't been paying attention. The newer Vulcan come to mind.

That was clearly answered in my last message.

Yes, I worked on Harleys. Not Hondas. My comment was about the Honda
pics not showing what the controls looked like so I wasn't going to
comment about the Honda handlebar controls since I don't know what
they look like. I never claimed to know everything and I am man enough
to admit when I come across something I don't know. The topic was
about Honda controls, not Harleys.

And I've explained why I think they serve no other purpose then just
for looks.

Yes I have but since I was there looking at a different Honda I didn't
give a rats rear end about the Shadow models they had. Not all Honda
seats have "Honda" in big letters on them.

Sorry, the way I read you question from the beginning was "how does a
Shadow look like a Harley?". I did not interpret the part that you
would not buy a bike a bike that didn't look like a Harley. That was
an oversite on my part. Either way at the beginning of this thread you
were asking about how Shadows were Harley like. It was not till I saw
your message that gave a year did you change your question to "how
does my bike look like a Harley" to which I have already answered to
you and to Albert. It doesn't. That was why I referenced the pic of
the 1988 model. I have answered both Shadow questions and I think even
Albert has too. He acknowledged he was only doing it to yank your
chain and it looks like he did a good job. My first posting in this
thread was aimed mainly at him to point out that he was wrong as the
older Shadows were not a Harley copy to which he agreed with and
acknowledged my comment that it was mainly the newer Shadows that had
more of the Harley look. You kept saying Shadows do not look like
Harleys and to that I have a difference of opinion and have only been
trying to point out the features I think make them look like a Harley.
As I already answered before the Shadow is not a pure copy of any
Harley but has so many Harley like features it makes it so damn easy
to mistake a Shadow for one.

I did not say the bike was a copy of a Harley. It was an older bike
that was used as a reference. IIRC the pic of a VT1100 that I
referenced was a 1988 model and it was to point at that the Shadow had
changed from your bike (1986?) which still was more of a generic
cruiser to more of a Harley like bike by 1988 and have gotten worst
since then. Since I did not find any pics of a 1988 VT1100 on Honda's
web site I used the one pic I found. I was not aware of any mods by
the owner. The VT1100 you referenced was the newest model and is not
what the 1988 version looked like before it was put in a crate. They
are 2 different year bikes with different looks. As far as not being
"the" Honda Shadow my point was there are more then one. Since my
comments were about the Shadows in general my opinion covers the
complete line-up, not just one particular model. As I said I admit
that one particular Shadow does not look as much like as Harley as
several others in the Shadow line-up.

"WHAT?!?!?!" what? "Where did I come up with" what? You asked for to
point out features I thought gave the Shadow a Harley like look and I
did. No "what" about it. I answered your question.

That is an extra different plan. I bought a 7 year/unlimited mileage
plan from an outside vendor for my '02 Sportster when I got it. It
added 6 years to the standard coverage but it also had a $50
deductible. The info you gave was about factory warranty coverage and
I based my comment about a 2 year warranty by Harley based on the same
criteria. Also, I think what Wakko got was a lifetime service plan
which is different from a warranty plan.

I can see the pictures just fine and I do know the difference so the
"pictures don't lie" comment is worthless. I seem to have a better
idea about Harley features then most people and I have yet to see a
Shadow picture on the Honda website to prove me wrong. Four of the 6
Shadows are damn close to a Harley it isn't funny. I never claimed
they were perfect copies, just pretty damn close.

Sure, and the first cruisers that Honda made that didn't look like
Harleys weren't cruisers then? Are you saying they didn't earn the
name "cruisers" till they became more Harley like? The "cruiser style"
is a general form and has nothing to do with looking like a Harley.
The first cruisers didn't.

I never claimed they did.

Sure, right. If you say so.

I picked a Shadow. Since my comments were about Shadows in general the
discussion was about more then one since Honda makes more then one
Shadow.

Think what you want. That doesn't change the fact that the seat looks
exactly like the seat on several of the Softail models. Again, you
asked me to point out what I thought looked like Harley features and I
did.

So now the carb has been moved over they? Okay, I take back my comment
about the fake "air cleaner" then. Since that is where a Harley carb
is I guess you can add one more feature to the list of things Honda
copied from a Harley.

I do have one question though. Since 4 of the 6 Shadows have some sort
of cover in that vicinity are they all air filters or are any of them
something else?

Look at a RoadKing or a Fatboy. Tell me those covers on the Shadow in
question don't look like the fork covers on a RoadKing or a Fatboy.

As far as the Shadow having inverted forks I will have to take your
word on it. But since when have inverted forks needed covers? A lot of
bike use inverted forks and never had a cover on them as it was not
needed.

I never said it was an oil tank. I said "shaped almost like a oil tank
on a Softail". It might be a side panel but there is no reason for it
to be shaped exactly the way it is if it is not to copy a feature from
a Harley.

If that is "the design of a cruiser" then care to explain to my why
the other 5 Shadows have their radiators in plain site? Are they not
cruisers too? Why only do it on one model and not all of them?

Wrong again ,my friend. You are also using "the Shadows" tag again.
Not all Shadows use an external shock set-up (which Harley uses on
some of its bikes too but so does everyone else). Some of the Shadows
use a copy of the Harley Softail back end. I pointed that out in my
last message but I noticed you didn't comment about those bikes. Come
to think of it you made comments about my observations on all the
bikes except the two that are the most Harley like of them. Makes me
wonder.

Answered above.

Answered above.

Again, are you saying that inverted forks have to be covered? If so I
guess all those bikes out there with inverted forks that aren't

I've seen a lot of Shadows in person and I still say they look like a
Harley to me, especially the one referenced above. As I said it was
close to a Dyna, I did not say it was a perfect copy. But as I said
that is just my opinion. Nothing wrong with that.

Don't need to see them in person. The pics tell it all. As you said,
"the pics don't lie". The two that look the most Harley like you never
even commented on. I stand by my opinions on them as I have yet to see
anything that would prove me wrong.

No comparison. I'm talking about a factory bike here, not a low
production chopper that uses a Harley engine (even if it is an S&S
copy it is still a Harley engine as the parts are interchangeable).

No, Harley does not build in to the cruiser category. Harley was the
cruiser category till everyone else jumped on the band wagon. And not
all the similarities they have are a requirement to be classified as a
"cruiser". Honda (and the rest of the Big 4) have other cruiser bikes
that look a lot different from a Harley. Yet they are still in the
cruiser class. I would love to hear a list of features from you that
are what a bike needs to be in the cruiser category.

As I have said time and time again a Shadow does not have to look the
way it does to be in a "cruiser" category. If some of the Shadows
aren't meant to duplicate the looks of a Harley let me ask you these
questions.

1.) Why are some of the seats nothing but a Softail seat copy?

2.) Why have something that looks like an oil tank under the seat on
some of the Shadows?

3.) Why copy the Softail suspension on two of the Shadows? The "hard
tail" look is not a requirement for a "cruiser" class bike so why do
it for anything else then to copy a Harley?

4.) Why move the carb to the right side on only a few of the Shadows
when they never had them there before and are not required to be
there?

5.) You were correct about me being wrong in calling the chrome cover
on the right side on 2 of the Shadows a "fake air cleaner cover" since
the carb has been moved to that location on them. But what about the
two other Shadows that have a chrome cover in the same area? They
don't look to be air cleaner covers so what are they and why are they
placed where they are?


As I have said numerous times not all Shadows look like Harleys (and
not yours for that matter) but several of them do in my opinion. And I
am not the only one as others on this group have also commented on the
same thing. You asked me to point out features that were Harley like
and I have.

Ruppster
sportster at dodge-semis dot com

 

Damn...nice looking Harley ya have there!

 

<I snipped a whole lot of funny stuff myself on this one since it
wasn't needed for this response>

Sorry, didn't realize I flooded you with more facts then you could
handle. <g>

Anyhow, thanks for making my day!

As soon as my eyes quit watering from laughing so hard I will get back
to you. <g> That may be a while. May be next week.

Ruppster

 

Nah, only an "idiot" would not realize it doesn't have belt drive
therefore it can't be a Harley. <g>

That is a sweet looking bike though. At least Honda didn't copy the
Softail suspension on that one and has kept with the shaft drive.
While the Softail suspension looks nice I think its the biggest pain
to work on.

Ruppster

 

Brian Walker wrote:
And I don't recall a Harley looking like this bike.
(http://photos.motorcycle-usa.com/hondastat1.jpg)


‘‘Damn...nice looking Harley ya have there!’’

Wakko   NTXNS TOMKAT SENS


‘‘The point is: Honda Shadow resembling a Harley, NOT, a
Harley resembling a Honda Shadow. The photo is the very 04 Shadow,
like my sonNlaw owns.
And there are times, when he runs by, that it really resembles a Harley.
Folks tell him fairly often. But, fewey, those folks are kinda blind.
Well, they're blind in one eye, and can't see out of the othern'.
Seems, I heard someone say, that knows Wacko, that he's been told
his bike resembles a Shadow, or something like that. I don't know, I
might be making that up? Shoot, dog ass me, cowshit I know.
(BJAY)

 

And handles, typically, like a pig.

 

(brian wrote)
‘‘Okay, I finally snipped the shit out of the posting since it was
entirely too long!


‘‘<I snipped a whole lot of funny stuff myself on this
one since it wasn't needed for this response>
Sorry, didn't realize I flooded you with more facts then you could
handle. <g>
Anyhow, thanks for making my day!
As soon as my eyes quit watering from laughing so hard I will get back
to you. <g> That may be a while. May be next week.
(Ruppster)

‘‘My eyes are watering after reading ya'lls last coupla
responses’’ Then Ruppsters laughing box, got mine to going, and I
got to laughing hard!
I don't think there's much left that can be said about the Shadow and
Harley having any resemblance, or not having any resemblance. I just
wished that Ruppster would have used the word Resemblance. I truly think
that's all he meant. I don't think any real Biker,
would say that any metric cruiser is an exact copy of a Harley. I
don't think the big 4, would even try to make an exact copy. They would
be foolish to do that. They just wanted their motorcycles to resemble
the popular Harely. They knew it would increase sells, and it did, as a
matter of fact, no doubt.
I've heard many new motorcycist, say, why would I want to pay the
big bucks, for a Harley,when I can buy a metric, that resembles a
Harley, for a third of the price. The one that comes to my mind more
than a Shadow, is a VStar. A VStar 1100 (2002 thru 2005) painted black,
with real nice leather bags, and an after market expensive seat,
floorboards, chrome engine gaurds, tossels on the handles, and whatever
else, IS A spittin' image of a Harley, at first glance, for the majority
of folks and me.
It takes me and most, less than a moment to know the difference.
We were at the Harley shop the other day. This Bike rides up, we
notice him thru the window. It sounds like a harley, he's at a Harley
shop, he backs in.
(and stuff) Even Keith, my sonNlaw, a Harley nut,the one who has a
22,000 HD, thought for that a 1/2 moment it was a Harley. ( a little
bit)
It was a VSTAR black 1100. I know, we were at a HD shop. Who would
expect an old Yamma riding up, ya know, BUT?
We knew it werent no Harley, crap, but it resembled and almost, almost
sounded like a potato,potato Hardley. sheese.
(BJAY)

 

Oh, please stop! You're killing me. I can't take the pain. My sides
hurt way too much from the laughing and then I had to read this. <g>

 

But, since you didn't just "jump in", and have seen the entire exchange,
your excuse is severely flawed

No, actually, I didn't. I just used your quotes. But, if you want to
continue to be disingenuous, go right ahead......

Hmmm, interesting.............

 

‘‘Its easy to do that since the grammar is severly wrong.
If someone just jumps in and doesn't have any idea of you or Bill then
yes its easy to see that it is an attack.’’ (Elmer Mc)

‘‘But, since you, (Elmer), didn't just "jump in", and have
seen the entire exchange, your excuse is severely flawed
I'm not dishonest or disingenuous.’’
(the Iggy feller)

‘‘You, (iggy), apparantly don't live in Texas!’’ Or,
you don't ride a motorcycle, one or the other or both, from the way, you
jump in and attack any one on this group, that is trying 2 discuss stuff
about our great state of TEXAS’’. (BJAY)

 

On Thu, 18 Aug 2005 10:57:21 -0500, "Brian Walker"

God, please. I beg you, stop this. The pain has gotten unbearable. My

I said more then that but it went right over your head. Please get
back to me when you actual read the stuff you snipped out. Hold on, on
second thought don't bother getting back to me as I'm done with this
thread.

Now excuse me while I tried to wrap an Ace bandage around my chest.
<g>

Ruppster

 

Saw this on a bumper sticker years ago:

How do you really piss of a Texan? Cut Alaska in half and make Texas
the third largest state. <sfsf>

Ruppster