[QUOTE="Bear"] Is that one of those Davida-moto lids? I confess I've never been a fan of open-facers[/QUOTE] [QUOTE] Plus I've been hit pretty hard by stones in the chest and shoulders before and wondered what would have happened if I'd been wearing an open face lid and copped for them in the mush.[/QUOTE] I wear a scarf so when the bugs go squish they don't hurt. Stones and stuff: I've been hit by them, it's rare, stings but doesn't mark. Rain and hail - that fucking stings. Hence I have a neoprene mask for winter.