Time up for "safety cameras"? countdown...

Discussion in 'UK Motorcycles' started by DoetNietComputeren, Sep 15, 2006.

  1. From www.safespeed.org.uk, dated august 30th:

    PR351: Speed cameras 'legal crash' coming

    ECHR expected to rule UK camera legislation illegal

    for immediate release

    MCN (Motor Cycle News) reports today of the 'Right to Silence' case
    that will
    be heard at the European Court of Human Rights (ECHR) in Strasbourg on
    27th
    September. The case challenges 'Section 172' in the Road Traffic
    Offenders Act
    1988 which requires registered keepers of vehicles and others to
    'provide
    information' regarding the driver of the vehicle at the time of an
    alleged
    offence.

    Section 172 underpins ALL speed camera prosecutions, and millions of
    motorists
    each year receive 'section 172' notices requiring them to identify the
    driver
    after their vehicle has been caught on camera.

    The problem arises when the notice arrives with the person who was
    driving at
    the time of the alleged offence. If he fills in the form he is
    effectively
    signing a confession which violates his ancient 'right to silence'. If
    he fails
    to fill in the form (or otherwise provide the required information) he
    is
    guilty of a different offence.

    Paul Smith, founder of the Safe Speed road safety campaign
    (www.safespeed.org.uk) said: "Section 172 has been a useful legislative
    'big
    stick' capable of being used with wisdom and restraint to defend
    society
    against dangerous criminals. It should never have been used against
    millions of
    motorists who may or may not have committed minor traffic offences. It
    has been
    like using the 'big stick' on your little sister. We have now arrived
    at the
    point where the 'big stick' will be taken away because it has been
    abused."

    "The tragedy is that S172 has been a useful Police power in serious
    cases where
    responses could contribute to an ongoing investigation. Now that power
    will be
    lost for one reason and one reason only; because it has been misused."

    "Once S172 goes, that will be the end of speed camera prosecutions as
    we know
    them. And that can only be good news for road safety."

    "As far as I can tell, no one seriously expects the government to win."
     
    DoetNietComputeren, Sep 15, 2006
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    Dan White Guest

    That's all you need to know to be sure it's bollocks.
     
    Dan White, Sep 15, 2006
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  3. I'd have thought that the source, being safespeed, would out trump the
    fact MCN are just recylcing it on paper.
     
    DoetNietComputeren, Sep 15, 2006
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    Dan White Guest

    I bet they've jinxed it by reporting it though...
     
    Dan White, Sep 15, 2006
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    darsy Guest

    depends on what you mean by bollocks.

    Idris Francis really is taking his case to the ECHR, but whether

    a) they agree with the concern &
    b) even they do, the UK government takes any notice

    is the issue.
     
    darsy, Sep 15, 2006
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    Ken Guest


    Not according to the head of legal services at Southampton Magistrates court
    its not!

    k
     
    Ken, Sep 15, 2006
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    Ken Guest

    Its got **** all to do with your childish view of the matter!

    This has to do with a fundamental infringement of human
    rights...........either the law relating to this is changed or the scamera
    scum are fucked!

    k
     
    Ken, Sep 15, 2006
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    Hog Guest

    I believe Darsy has the point of it. HMG will simply change the law as
    did the Oirish lot last year with their little scuffle.
     
    Hog, Sep 15, 2006
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    Switters Guest

    I thought it was the French that ignored Euro stuff.
     
    Switters, Sep 15, 2006
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    Tosspot Guest

    Paul Smith is an idiot. Not the finest, but a front runner.
     
    Tosspot, Sep 15, 2006
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