Thursday no-brainer....

Smart-arse.

But thanks; point well made.

 

Well, that's exactly my point. If it isn't drug related crime generating the
funds, then other form of crime will flourish. You suggesting to legalise
them accordingly?

Them being 'pushed' still has nothing to do with their addictive properties.
Look at legal products and how they are pushed, i.e. advertising for soft
drinks, chocolate bars etc. That doesn't make them physically addictive
suddenly.

Sure, and would they stop when it's legal?

Agreed, but these are _additional_ problems.

I find the same, one adiction replaces another, although the likelihood
of them living longer on booze and ciggies is still larger.

 

He may well be a moron as well as massively ignorant.

 

Simian wrote

Dunno about toxic but some sources have suggested it is less directly
harmful than alcohol.

 

Can we please have this type of law making. I can see it being a rip
roaring success on this group

 

*my* point; and it's mine 'cos I made it first... was that the moneys
generated by drug dealing can be used to setup other criminal
enterprises.

I wasn't proposing that anything else was legalised.

If there isn't a commercial model that benefits the retailer then the
product won't be promoted.

If the product isn't promoted so many consumers won't find it.

if the users aren't introduced to them they won't become addicted.

Of course not; others may not start though.

But these problems are PURELY because it's an illegally traded product.
If the distribution was legitimised and controlled the gear wouldn't be
trodden on.

But the possibility of living longer on pharmaceutical heroin is higher
than street heroin.

 

Can I be "Minister of gaoli^H^H^Hjustice"?

Phil

 

Indeed, it really surprised me how many people were actually taking
(soft)drugs over here, compared to the people I know in Holland.

 

Per unit mass, more toxic than all the above. But in many ways
toxicity is the desired effect, as with alcohol. It's the toxic
effects that give the high.

 

Simian wrote

What about drinking tea with it?

 

Yes, but you seemed to imply that without money from drugs, these funded
crimes wouldn't occur, while I claim that just another criminal source
would be found to provide the source.

I know you weren't, but the argument nevertheless could/would run down
that slope.

Rubbish, that was attempted in the Netherlands, where you now have a
nice mixture of partially state controlled systems, people don't like
and your private coffee shop, which is still predominantly controlled
by criminal elements.

Have you seen the amount of people going to the Netherlands for dope?
It sure doesn't need promoting

D'oh, of course not.

Well, I could argue, and I don't think I'm entirely wrong there, that the
amount of people deterred from trying hard drugs, because they are illegal
and thus don't become addicted. Is considerably larger than the amount of
people 'deterred' because it is legal.

Which would still not make it prime choice of the month in the body shop.

Agreed, as can be seen in projects were the government provides substance
are a clean shooting up environment (i.e. needles and syringes). But that
is treatment of addicted people, and not creating more addicts.

A state controlled provision of heroin would, in my opinion, make a state
fall short of one of its most basic provisions, taking care for its
citizens.

 

YM "US black ops".

 

Exactly as I said- criminal enterprises...

 

You mean your lot just stick to the hard drugs and heavy-duty pr0n?

 

Simian

I think that is a quite narrow view. There are heaps of social problems
caused
by drugs which are totally legal, i.e. alcohol. And saying a problem may be
caused through various circumstances, and thus it's not worth tackling
is a fatalistic view I would have thought you wouldn't subscribe to.

 

And evidence is not forged, falsified, or otherwise tampered with to
gain a conviction?

Not ever?

Think, if you can, before replying.

 

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Heh. The last time I heard that I'd just slapped a German schoolboy
around the face for barging pensioners on a ferry.

 

There's also the needle fixation. I've known some junkies jack up
water- seriously. When questioned "you know you're not going to get off
on that" the response was "well, yes and no".

 

I'd guess that's true.