This Lifesaver Malarkey

Discussion in 'UK Motorcycles' started by David Thomas, Dec 21, 2003.

  1. David Thomas

    Champ Guest

    Well, we haven't had this one for a long time, so here goes.

    There's only 2 sets of circumstances when I look over my shoulder
    1. Joining a motorway or similar from a sliproad
    2. Trying to see how far behind the people I'm riding with are.

    I mean, really, with proper road positioning and use of mirrors, I
    really can't see what extra info I'm going to get from looking behind
    me. And, the time and effort required to do so (especially with
    sports bike ergonomics) means that my attention is directed away from
    the direction I'm travelling for *far* too long.

    Can someone please tell me what I might see by looking over my
    shoulder?
     
    Champ, Dec 22, 2003
    #21
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  2. David Thomas

    Cane Guest

    Your reflection in shop windows.
     
    Cane, Dec 22, 2003
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  3. David Thomas

    Cane Guest

    Is that how you managed to hit that fucking great truck?
     
    Cane, Dec 22, 2003
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  4. David Thomas

    Alan.T.Gower Guest


    When on your test you must do life savers to prove to the examiner that
    you're not going to kill yourself. During training for your test
    lifesavers are brainwashed into you. Most experienced riders just do
    them automatically without even thinking about it.

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    Alan.T.Gower, Dec 22, 2003
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  5. Naked chicks.
     
    William Grainger, Dec 22, 2003
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  6. David Thomas

    Cane Guest

    "I see dead people"
     
    Cane, Dec 22, 2003
    #26
  7. David Thomas

    Champ Guest

    Nonono - you look sideways for that
     
    Champ, Dec 22, 2003
    #27
  8. David Thomas

    Preston Kemp Guest

    One of the most useful mods I've done to my Tiger was fitting a pair of
    those 'blind spot' mirrors to the main mirror stalks. If you don't mind
    the looks, they make like a lot simpler, especially for lane hopping on
    motorways. Haven't done a life saver for as long as I can remember, &
    I'm still here... There's a pic of the mirror (& my patented adjustable
    screen) here:

    http://homepage.ntlworld.com/preston.kemp/Screen.jpg
     
    Preston Kemp, Dec 22, 2003
    #28
  9. David Thomas

    AndrewR Guest

    And the sheep ... don't forget the sheep.

    Anyway, which of us can not say, in all honesty, that they haven't had all
    of their crashes on perfectly straight roads, eh?

    Eh?


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    AndrewR, Dec 22, 2003
    #29
  10. AndrewR wrote
    Not me guv.
     
    steve auvache, Dec 22, 2003
    #30
  11. David Thomas

    catman Guest

    On Mon, 22 Dec 2003 11:03:22 +0000, Champ wrote:


    Someone that's snuck into the blind spot. But since (IMHO) decent raod
    awareness makes it virtually impossible for that to happen, I should think
    you will see exactly what you expect to see.

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    catman, Dec 22, 2003
    #31
  12. David Thomas

    catman Guest


    AOL, esp since I now have 5k revs to play with :)
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    catman, Dec 22, 2003
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  13. David Thomas

    HooDooWitch Guest

    *ding*. It should confirm there's nothing there. It's called a
    lifesaver because you're checking for things that *could* kill you.

    I can't see Champ's viewpoint here. What does it cost to look over
    your shoulder? A second at most, and it *could* save your life, after
    all, you're checking for the improbable. What could the potential cost
    be for *not* looking?
     
    HooDooWitch, Dec 22, 2003
    #33
  14. David Thomas

    flashgorman Guest

    <devils advocate mode>
    Barry sheene had his 2nd big smash because he was looking over his shoulder
    rather than at the motorbike lying directly in his path[1]
    </dvm>

    [1] At least according to Kenny Roberts book, he was.
     
    flashgorman, Dec 22, 2003
    #34
  15. David Thomas

    Cane Guest

    Don't worry, we'll wait for you ;)
     
    Cane, Dec 22, 2003
    #35
  16. David Thomas

    Cane Guest

    I don't think there's anything to gain from comparing a newbies roadcraft
    with professional bike racers.
     
    Cane, Dec 22, 2003
    #36
  17. David Thomas

    Rexx Guest

    I don't have the confidence to believe that I've been able to pay complete
    attention to both my mirrors and the road ahead enough to know that
    there's nothing that shouldn't be there.

    Personally, I think if you don't have time to do a lifesaver check, you
    ain't riding safely.
     
    Rexx, Dec 22, 2003
    #37
  18. David Thomas

    HooDooWitch Guest

    I dunno, the "friendly wave" to Roberts has come in useful to me a few
    times. ;)
     
    HooDooWitch, Dec 22, 2003
    #38
  19. David Thomas

    Rexx Guest

    Especially as they don't always seem to have mirrors.
     
    Rexx, Dec 22, 2003
    #39
  20. David Thomas

    flashgorman Guest

    The point I was trying to make is that if you spend too much time looking
    over your shoulder, then you're not looking where you're going and may well
    smack into something. Learners tend to make hugely exaggerated lifesavers
    because they've been taught to make it obvious to examiners what they are
    doing.
     
    flashgorman, Dec 22, 2003
    #40
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