Theory of Engine braking....

Discussion in 'Motorbike Technical Discussion' started by kml, May 8, 2006.

  1. kml

    kml Guest

    Does the compression cause the engine to brake? Or is it the internal
    friction? If compression is the cause, what it the motor compressing if
    the throttle bodies are closed? Does the weight of the crank or
    flywheel have an effect upon engine braking? How do the R.P.M.s effect
    engine braking? Why do two strokes have less engine braking? Did the
    old Suzuki water Buffalo's have much engine braking? Would it be
    impossible to lock the rear wheel if the plugs were removed and you
    were coasting down hill at 30 mph with the motor off and you let the
    clutch out in first gear?

    Inquiring minds want to know...
    cheers
    ken
     
    kml, May 8, 2006
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    Eric Johnson Guest

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compression_braking
    http://www.everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1181314
    http://www.google.com/search?source...ls=DVXA,DVXA:2006-01,DVXA:en&q=engine+braking
     
    Eric Johnson, May 8, 2006
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  3. kml

    David Kelly Guest

    Its commonly called compression braking deriving from "compression
    release" one-way valves (commonly known as "jake brakes" on big trucks)
    which vent the compression stroke resulting in the piston pulling
    against a vacuum on what would have been the power stroke.

    With throttle closed and engine being driven at higher RPM than it would
    turn itself under those conditions, the intake stroke pulls harder than
    it would at idle. This is what is commonly called compression braking in
    "normal" 4-stroke engines. The braking effect is due to the attempt to
    pump a vacuum. Generally the mixture is too lean to burn under this
    condition resulting in missing, which sounds like popping. If enough
    unburned fuel hits a hot spot in the exhaust pipe it ignites in the
    exhaust pipe with a bang, often flames out the tail pipe.

    2-stroke engines have little more than engine friction for "compression
    braking" because the piston does not directly draw (suck) thru the
    carburetor throttle slide. The carburetor feeds the crankcase thru reed
    valves (or rotary valve). The backside of the piston serves as a pump to
    draw mixture thru the carburetor into the crankcase then on the downward
    stroke compresses that mixture (supercharger) to push it into the
    combustion chamber. This layer of buffering minimizes "compression
    braking."

    In years past 2-strokes typically had two "spark plug holes" that one
    could install a compression release for the purpose of "compression
    braking." Keep in mind historically brakes haven't been as good as they
    are today and as such the compression release was a safety feature,
    which is one of the reasons they continue to this day on big trucks.
     
    David Kelly, May 8, 2006
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  4. kml

    kml Guest

    Thanks that was an excellent reply.
    To clarify that for my pea brain, when I am experiencing engine braking
    on my motorcycle, the majority of that force is caused by the pistons
    drawing a vacuum against the throttle slides on the intake stroke.
    Correct? On the compression stroke does that vacuum act to draw the
    piston up? Or is that vacuum somehow eliminated before the
    compression stroke begins?
    cheers
    ken
     
    kml, May 8, 2006
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  5. kml

    David Kelly Guest

    Your throttle slide isn't fully closed so something is drawn in for the
    compression stroke. But there isn't much compression being done and
    thats why its hard to ignite that mixture, because there isn't much of
    it.

    High performance MX 4-strokes are usually tuned to lessen the amount of
    "compression braking" as most world class riders are coming off
    2-strokes and haven't adjusted to compression braking. The effect can be
    lessened with valve timing. Am not sure exactly how but am told a
    CRF450R has less than a CRF450X.
     
    David Kelly, May 8, 2006
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    FB Guest

    Depends upon what gear the transmission was in. It was more of a
    crankshaft inertia effect.

    I had to watch the digital gear indicator to make sure I didn't
    downshift my Water Buffalo into 1st gear, as the transmission had a
    "granny" low gear that would let the
    engine almost idle away from a stop. Getting into low gear accidently
    would really slow the machine down suddenly.

    I was riding with a friend who had a Honda CB-750A automatic. We rode
    down a twisty canyon and that really upset him because the torque
    converter didn't allow him any engine braking at all, the engine just
    free wheeled when the throttle was rolled off.

    But he was upset with me for just running away and leaving him behind.
     
    FB, May 8, 2006
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