The Top 5

So.. what are the top 5 concerns[1] of riders today?

The NSW MCC is looking to be sure we are properly spending time and
effort on what riders want us to spend time and effort on.

THe MCC has two areas of interest, riders safety and rider's rights.

Safety is things like road surface, barriers, road furniture, rider
training, driver training, things that affect safety.

Rights are things like access to parking, discrimination, exhaust
stickers, toll charges.

What are the top 5 things that the MCC should be dealing with? Not just
the ones I've listed, there are lots of others, what should we be doing?

This isn't just for NSW types, the AMC, the federal coalition of bike
lobby groups also needs to know what they should be focusing on, and
your state groups need to know too.

So.. what are the most important things?


Zebee



[1] relating to bikes. Meaning that we aren't that interested if you
can't get any....

 

We need more chicks to hold umbrellas while we put our gloves and helmets on!

 

In no particular order, and from my perspective in Qld. Ymmv.

Legalise lanesplitting.
Remove wire rope barriers.
Legalise footpath parking.
Remove tolls for bikes.

Last one I'm not sure how to word it. Beginners in other states can ride
certain bikes bigger than 250cc, like GS500s and Zephyrs etc. They're more
suitable for larger and older riders. Not sure what they call that class,
but you'll know what I mean. We should have that here too.

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Learner Legal class

Based on power to weight ratio

Works very well in NSW IMHO

Stan

 

now only problem with thast is it could create a legal minefield if an
accident
happens whilst lane splitting

sadly money is the talker so they will continue to put up bikes dicers

the problem is that ceratin idiots would park in the wrong place and fark
it all up for the majority

I agree totally but I reckon wihin 5 - 10 years all bikes will have an
electronic chip that will be picked up by tolls and speed cameras

 

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Not from NSW but thought I'd toss a few coins in the fountain. Not in any
order
1) Driver/ Rider Training
Too many people who drive like they're wearing blinkers
Restricting learners and P Platers (regardless of age) to sub 250cc
bikes for at least their first year in order to learn road craft
2) Road surface
Intentional and unintentional
Intentional - Looking into the Paving used on intersections which
effectively turn into ice from even a light coat morning dew
Unintentional - completed roadwork that hasn't been cleaned/cleared
away. Gravel/ Potholes/ Manhole covers on corners etc.
3) Some vehicle mods
Louder exhausts and steel braided lines specifically. They make us
more visible to the general public and braided lines are supposed to
be better that the stock aren't they?
4) Seriously rethinking the push towards front number plates and what's
really driving it. If possible consultation with other countries
who've looked into it and why they have/have not chosen
it as an option
5) I can only think of 4..

 

In aus.motorcycles on Wed, 9 Jun 2004 17:37:53 +1000

what minefield do you see being created? It's just a form of passing.
It's been legal in the UK for some time I believe, so there is going to
be law to reference.

Only if they are allowed to. Only if people allow themselves to be
screwed.

how do the Vics manage? What's the law there, and how is bad parking
dealt with?

What's your top 5 list?

Zebee

 

More wimmen
Free beer
Free motorcycles
Free petrol
More wimmen

Simple really ...

Cheers

(Glad to help)

 

Why would it create a legal minefield? The road laws dictate conditions under
which there should be no multi-vehicle collisions, but there are thousands
every day. Why wouldn't they all be legal minefields? How many examples of
multi vehicle collisions can you think of where both vehicles were being used
within the letter of the law at the time of the collision?

Nev..
'03 ZX12R

 

Less accidents happen while lanesplitting than anywhere else.
We been doing it here in melbourne for ever and I don't see any legal
minefields.

Easy to zap and render useless.

 

For victorian guidelines see:

http://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/vrpdf/trum/tr2001102.pdf
http://tinyurl.com/3eryu

I don't think the distances quoted are legal requirements.

There was some lobbying of the MCC by some building owners to restrict
parking in certain areas last year (perhaps ongoing). Most of these areas
are generally best avoided anyway but by-laws might result in less
judicious future rulings. For the most part common sense prevails across
the board.

cam.

 

1) Compulsory driver skills training, such as emergency braking, etc.
2) Parking for bikes, esp footpath and unmetered CBD where not obviously a
nuisance.
3) Road surface quality in Sydney CBD especially.
4) Stricter policing of attention drainers such as mobile phones and tvs in
cars. Ive seen many a cop drive straight by some driver with a hand to their
ear in CBD traffic.
5) No tolls for bikes. Its a hassle for the rider, the drivers behind the
rider, and makes no sense in terms of "required upkeep". Also see (3).

 

In no actual order:

-FNP's
-loud pipe legislation
-road safety as an experiment in social engineering
-GST on protective gear
-motorcycles ignored as prospective solution for the present situation with
urban and suburban personal transport.

 

Driver inattention
cheaper safety clothing particularly leathers and helmets(I honesly
believe safety equipment is a rip off in price)
Louder pipes without the rip off price
Better signs particularly in mountainous areas on blind corners.
Wire rope barriers on corners.(no thanks)

 

Used to be tolerated (i.e. you could lanesplit past a police car and they'd not
bother), now it's also legal here in .nl. Provided:
- your own speed doesn't exceed 50km/h
- only past standing or creeping (<20km/h) traffic
- use only gap between fast lane and the next one.

During the time it was tolerated there'd been at least one case where a cager
changed lanes on a bike, and the resulting court case put the biker in the
clear. Cagers should expect bikes passing between rows, and consequently look
out for them, was the verdict.

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// if you don't go there" '79 Honda XL250S TBD

 

The top concern for me is driver training.

That one issue is simply so far in front of the rest that I won't even
submit other issues.

 

I doubt that anything undertaken under the guise of "driver training" would be
far too little, far too late. There are too many drivers out there for there
to be any effective training IMHO.... but as state governments have discovered
of recent years, there is one sure way to make people pay more attention when
driving, and that is to punish them when they make minor infringements. Use
the police to enforce care. Make it mandatory for the police to issue an
infringement notice to at least one driver in every single or multi vehicle
collision which they attend. Don't just let the insurance companies work it
out.

Nev..
'03 ZX12R

 

1. Shit roads. I don't know how you lot in capital cities fare but the roads up here are shit. Fix
them please.

2. Less focus on speed and more focus on driving safely/well (this includes driver training).

3. Piss off WRB's. I don't care if they are cheap and stop cars bouncing back into the path of other
cars, if a rider hits one's they're fucked and that far outweighs any other argument for them I
feel.

4. Footpath parking. It'd be nice.

5. While I'm dreaming, I'd like to see people have to ride a bike (LAMS bikes) for 12mths BEFORE
they can get a car lic. Sure this is going to greatly increase the road toll but only for a short
time, then once Darwin's theory has run it's course the road toll will drop back to a decent level
and the Gene pool will be cleaned up a touch.

Aaron
ZX6R

 

Yeah, we need shit roads in the capitals as well. It'd help
slow the traffic down, and give us all an excuse to ride chookies.

-----sharks

 

if an accident happens who will be at fault ?

Could a car driver be sued if he way over to one side and an accident
results?

Whay if a car had something ( some sort of package that wouldn't fit
completely
in the car) sticking out the window and it took a bike down whilst he was
lanesplitting ?




sticking out the window

Bikers are so far in the minority they have little clout

One would hope it would be something like as long pedestrian access is not
impeded then
it should be allowed

A top 5 wish list or a list of something that can actually has a chance of
been obtained