The Tears Of Finding The Truth

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    Through The Internet
    INTRODUCTION
    The following story occurred on the Internet
    through one of the chat programs (Freetel) in January 1999. It is a
    real dialogue between a Christian and a Muslim. The story centers on
    Derek's realization of today's Christianity and his subsequent
    conversion to lslam. This Christian-Muslim dialogue has been edited
    for readability and for the clarity of its message.

    ABDULLAH: Hello there! How are you man?
    DEREK: Hello! Well, how are you?
    ABDULLAH: I'm fine and you?
    DEREK: I'm fine thanks.
    ABDULLAH: Where are you from?
    DEREK: I'm from L.A. (Los Angeles).
    ABDULLAH: The land of Hollywood!
    DEREK: Well that's right. Have you ever been to L.A.?
    ABDULLAH: No, never. Why are you calling yourself the Black Magic?
    DEREK: It's just a nickname, man!
    ABDULLAH: I see.
    DEREK: Where are you from? Are you an Arab?
    ABDULLAH: Yes, I am from Saudi Arabia but I'm in Qatar now. What is
    your name?
    DEREK: My name is Derek. What's your name?
    ABDULLAH: My name is Abdullah.
    DEREK: What does Abdullah mean?
    ABDULLAH: Abdullah means the servant of Allah and it is the function
    of each individual on the face of the earth to serve llah according to
    what Allah wants from us. By the way, Allah is the proper name of
    God.
    DEREK: How do we know what God or Allah wants from us?
    ABDULLAH: All of this is outlined in the Qur'an and the Sunnah (Ways
    of Prophet Muhammad; his sayings, actions and aprovals). These are the
    two major sources of guidance in lslam. Could you please tell me more
    about yourself? How ol are you?
    DEREK: I am 19 years old, black and very uch interested in
    knowing more about lslam. First of all, what should a person do or
    believe in to become a Muslim?
    ABDULLAH: Very easy, you just say that there is no god worthy of
    worshi but Allah and Muhammad is His Messenger, and you become
    Muslim,
    DEREK: You mean Muhammad is his apostle? But a a Christian or non-
    Muslim, this sentence is not enough to make it clear to me.
    ABDULLAH: Ok Allah sent Muhammad a His last Prophet and Messenger and
    revealed the Qur'an to him as the final revelation to mankind. Allah
    said that He perected His religion and called it lslam (see Qur'an
    5:3). Islam means peaceful submission to the Will of Allah.
    DEREK: I see.
    ABDULLAH: Yes, and unfortunately most Christians don't know or they
    deny that the coming of Prophet Muhammad is foretold in their
    scriptures (See Deuternomy 18:18; 21: 21; Psalms 1 18:22-23; Isiah
    42:1-13; Habakuk 3:3-4; Matthew 21:42-43; John 14:12-17,15:26,27;
    1:5-16). Muslim theologians have stated that the person who is
    described by Jesus to come after him (in the above verses) is Mhammed
    (peace be upon him).
    DEREK: OK Fine, but why was there a need for another prophet after
    Jesus and another revelation after the Bible?
    ABDULLAH: All of the Prophets came to teach their peoples the Oneness
    of God. In the case of Jesus, he was only sent as a Messenger to the
    lost sheep of the house of Israel (see Matt. 15:24). What happened was
    that all of these prophets were not well received by the majority of
    the people. For instance, they started tampering with the teachings of
    Moses and Jesus, peace be upon them (see Qur'an 2:79). That is why
    Allah sent Muhammad with the last Message, (i.e., the Qur'an), to
    bring all of mankind back to the belief in and worship of One God,
    without partners or intermediaries.
    DEREK: Is the Qur'an similar to the Bible? I mean, what is it composed
    of?
    ABDULLAH: The Qur'an came as the last code emphasizing the same pure
    monotheistic teachings of Jesus peace be upon him, defending all the
    previous pure teachings of monotheistic beliefs and clarifying who
    Jesus was and who his mother was, showing that they were no more than
    great people.
    DEREK: OK then, how-can we be sure that the Qur'an has remained the
    same since the time of Prophet Muhammad?
    ABDULLAH: Allah Himself has guaranteed that He would guard the Qur'an
    from corruption (see Qur'an 15:9). Hence, the real and pure words of
    Allah are found in the Qur'an, which was revealed in Arabic, the
    language of Mohammed's people. Since then, not an iota has changed.
    This is unlike what has happened in the other religions. For example,
    if you look at the Bible, you find a lot of versions; the name Bible
    itself is indicative of those changes because Bible means a collection
    of books from different writers.
    DEREK: But didn't God call it the Bible?
    ABDULLAH: God calls the Scripture revealed to Jesus "Injeel" in the
    Qur'an for which the closest name in the Bible would be the word
    Gospel. The Bible was written may years after the time of Jesus in a
    language that was alien to Jesus; it was Latin Vulgate, a language
    that he never spoke. Isn't this strange? Interestingly, most of what
    was written in the New Testament was authored by Paul, who, according
    to James, the brother of Jesus in the Bible, had a polluted mind
    because he changed and contradicted most of the teachings of Jesus.
    DEREK: I think you know more about Christianity than the Pope does.
    ABDULLAH: You are wrong by saying that I know more than the Pope. I
    have simply investigated the Bible with an inquiring mind, which is
    something that all Christians should do.
    DEREK: Is there any English version of the Holy Qur'an?
    ABDULLAH: There are many translations of the meanings of the Qur'an.
    The Qur'an was revealed in Arabic which means that the words of ALLAH
    are in Arabic. The translations are the words of human beings relating
    to the meanings of the Qur'an to the non-Arabic speaking masses.
    DEREK: How does the Qur'an define God to mankind or how does the
    Muslim perceive God?
    ABDULLAH: GOD is the One and Only True GOD, and the Creator of all. He
    does not beget nor is He begotten. He is unlike His creation in every
    respect. He is the All-knowing, The Powerful, The Merciful, The
    Irresistible, and The King of kings.
    DEREK: But it is somehow difficult for me to perceive God as being the
    same as His creatures.
    ABDULLAH: You are absolutely right to have difficulty perceiving this
    because human beings have a limited capacity. This is why ALLAH sent
    revelations to His Prophets and Messengers to tell us who He is. So if
    you want to know who God is, just read the Qur'an.
    DEREK: Christians believe that Jesus was sent for the salvation of all
    mankind. If this is not true, then the foundation of Christianity is
    faulty. Right? What do you think?
    ABDULLAH: That's correct. The Christians of today are following what
    Paul taught and also tend to follow what the priests tell them to do
    instead of following what Jesus said.
    DEREK: Kindly explain the concept of salvation through the
    crucifixion of Jesus.
    ABDULLAH: In Christianity, the Doctrine of Original Sin is the reason
    that there is a need for salvation through Jesus' crucifixion.
    However, this doctrine was invented by Paul and it is strongly negated
    in the Old Testament (see Ezekial 18:20, Jeremiah 31:30, Deut. 24:16).
    This doctrine is an attempt to escape the responsibility of
    righteousness with the belief that punishment is given to someone else
    to release us from our burden of sins (see Ephesians 1:7, Romans 4:25,
    10:9, Corinthians 15:21) In the Qur'an, every soul is responsible for
    its own deeds, good or bad (see 74:38,41:46, 3:25, 6:154).
    DEREK: What about the crucifixion itself?
    ABDULLAH: The Bible says Jesus cried out in a loud voice beseeching
    God for help on the cross: "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken
    me?" (Matt. 27:46) Does that sound like Jesus to you?
    DEREK: No, then what about Jesus' appearance to his disciples after
    the crucifixion?
    ABDULLAH: Jesus didn't die on the cross nor was he resurrected. If he
    were resurrected, then he would have come to his disciples in a
    spiritual body. As shown in Luke 24:36-43, he met them with his
    physical body after the event of his alleged crucifixion. In the
    Qur'an, it says that Jesus was not crucified, but it was someone else
    who was made to look like him (see 4:157,158).
    DEREK: How did the story of the crucifixion of Jesus get into the
    Bible then?
    ABDULLAH: Once again, Paul was responsible (see Timothy 2:8 and
    Romans 5:10).
    DEREK: Well, I, very deep in my heart, believe that God can never
    look like his creation nor does he do what they do. What I believe is
    that God is the perfect one who is very much different from everything
    we see or touch. In other words, I think the writer can never look
    like his book.
    ABDULLAH: You are right. There is nothing comparable to Allah (see
    Qur'an 112:4). The prophets came with a very clear message to worship
    God alone, without any partners or intercessors.
    However, Paul took pagan beliefs and practices from the Romans and
    mixed them with the teachings of Jesus. Consequently, Paul was mostly
    responsible for elevating Jesus to the status of Son of God (see Acts
    9:20) and God.
    DEREK: Yes. Now I remember. The first Commandment is, " Hear, O
    Israel, the Lord our God is One Lord."
    ABDULLAH: You're right. That's in Mark 12:29. Moreover, the Qur'an
    confirms that God is One: "Say He is Allah, the One and Only
    (God)." (Qur'an 112:1)
    DEREK: What you are saying makes perfect sense. This is just
    incredible! You mean that for almost 2000 years what the Christians
    have been following is wrong?
    ABDULLAH: Yes, especially their misunderstanding of who Jesus was.
    DEREK: Oh my God! I've been deceived! Really, I feel religiously
    raped. I have been fooled simply because I followed blindly the
    religion that I was born with and didn't take care to investigate it
    thoroughly. But still inside me there is something holding me back
    from accepting lslam, even though lslam is clearly the True Religion.
    ABDULLAH: Your last comment shows that you are a Muslim not a
    Christian and if you really love God and His Messenger Jesus, you will
    follow lslam and Prophet Muhammad. Break this barrier inside you and
    come back to the way of your ancestors. You are now free because you
    are looking for the Truth and our great prophet Jesus told us that we
    should look for the Truth and the Truth will set us free. So, you will
    be a free man as soon as you accept It. Be strong enough to accept
    lslam as the Truth, without any hesitation on your part and you will
    taste real freedom and real happiness that you have never tasted
    before.
    DEREK: Frankly, I am concerned about the negative way lslam and
    Muslims are shown in the media. In the West, there is a stigma
    attached to being a Muslim and I'm not sure I'm ready to live with
    that stigma.
    ABDULLAH: This is why I have chosen to tell people about the right
    picture of lslam.
    DEREK: Then, what is the right picture of lslam?
    ABDULLAH: The right picture of lslam is conveyed in the Qur’an, which
    is exemplified by Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him. The reality is
    that it is not fair to judge a religion by the actions of its
    followers alone because there are good and bad followers in every
    religion. The correct thing to do is to judge a religion by its
    documented revelation from God and the prophet who brought that
    revelation.
    DEREK: I see. I agree with you, but I'm still concerned about the
    reaction of my family and friends if they know that I am a Muslim.
    ABDULLAH: On Judgement Day, no one will be able to help you, not even
    your father, mother or any of your friends (see Qur'an 31:33). So, if
    you believe that lslam is the True religion, you should embrace it and
    live your life to please the One Who created you. Be an illuminating
    torch for them. Do not delay your coming to lslam. If you die before
    becoming a Muslim, then it's too late (see Qur'an 2:132, 3:102, 3:85).
    So grab this opportunity now. You can only remedy this pain inside you
    by becoming a Muslim and being able in the future, God willing, to
    come and perform pilgrimage (Hajj).
    DEREK: You are very wise man, I want to say that when I sometimes see
    on the satellite, especially in the season of Hajj, people of
    different colors and different races sitting side by side and praying
    to God, I feel pain deep inside my heart and I feel something urging
    me to talk with someone to know more about that great religion that
    can gather all the races in the same place. Thanks to you, I have
    found that person. So please help me become a Muslim!
    ABDULLAH: Brother let us take it step by step. First, enter lslam
    by saying: I BEAR WITNESS THAT THERE IS NO GOD WORTHY OF WORSHIP
    EXCEPT ALLAH. AND I BEAR WITNESS THAT MUHAMMAD IS HIS SERVANT AND
    MESSENGER. I BEAR WITNESS THAT JESUS IS HIS PROPHET AND MESSENGER. Let
    us say this again, I BEAR WITNESS THAT THERE IS NO GOD WORTHY OF
    WORSHIP EXCEPT ALLAH AND I BEAR WITNESS THAT MUHAMMAD IS HIS SERVANT
    AND MESSENGER. I BEAR WITNESS THAT JESUS IS HIS PROPHET AND
    MESSENGERS. I BEAR WITNESS THAT JESUS IS HIS PROPHET AND MESSENGER.
    DEREK: I BEAR WITNESS THAT THERE IS NO GOD WORTHY OF WORSHIP EXCEPT
    ALLAH. I BEAR WITNESS THAT MUHAMMAD IS HIS SERVANT AND LAST MESSENGER.
    I BEAR WITNESS THAT EISA IS HIS SERVANT AND MESSENGER.
    ABDULLAH: By the way, Jesus' name is not Jesus. It is a latinized
    name. His real name is Eisa. Now you will say the same thing in
    Arabic, the language of the Qur'an. I will transliterate for you.
    ASH'HADU AN LA'ILAHA ILLA ALLAH WAASH'HADU ANNA MUHAMMMADAN
    RASOOLULLAH WA ASH'HADU ANNA EISA ABDULLAHI WA RASOOLUHU.
    DEREK: ASHADU AN LA ILAHA ILLALLAH WA ASHADU ANNA MUHAMMADAN
    RASULULLAH WA ASHADU ANNA EISA ABDULLAH1 WA RASOOLUHU.
    ABDULLAH: Brother, say ALLAH is the greatest because you are a Muslim
    now. You are not a Christian anymore. Your are in the House of lslam.
    If I were with you, I would hug you as my brother in lslam. How do you
    feel now? A burden has been removed from you and you feel like you are
    so light, isn't this right?
    DEREK: If you were with me now, you would have seen my tears reaching
    my neck. You are a great brother. I feel that I have just come to
    life, This is exactly how I feel from now. I don't have to listen the
    silly words of the priests in the church, who knowingly or unknowingly
    lead people astray. I hope to be a good servant of ALLAH.
    ABDULLAH: You know what came out of you was disbelief and it was
    replaced by belief. You are so clean now, because when someone
    embraces Islam sincerely, Allah forgives all of his past sins. So, go
    to the Islamic center that has Muslims from all over the world and
    announce your lslam there, and continue to learn more about lslam from
    them. In addition, find a book on prayer in lslam and practice it.
    This is essential. Now after you are through with me, you must take a
    shower to purify yourself from previous wrong beliefs. Remember to
    stay away from bad company and be with righteous Muslim people. Also,
    beware of those so-called Muslims who call to nationalistic ideas or
    racial thoughts, which are rejected in lslam. I love you as a brother
    in lslam and I hope one day I will see you and hear your voice.
    DEREK: I will for sure do what you have asked. And tomorrow I will go
    to the Islamic center. Thank you for showing me the Truth. I will do
    my best to meet people who know about lslam for sure. May God help you
    guide more and more people to the true word of God. There is no God
    but ALLAH and Muhammad is his Apostle... Well it is as difficult for
    me as it is for you to leave you.
    ABDULLAH: Well brother, you will not leave me for a long time. I will
    soon be with you through my supplications. God willing. Pray for me,
    brother.
    DEREK: Well, I thank you, I love you although I do not know you yet.
    But it is enough for me to remember that one day, a very dear man has
    picked me up from the mud of life. Please teach me another Islamic
    word in Arabic so as to make use of it in the Islamic center.
    ABDULLAH: Assalamu Alaikum Warahmatullahi Wabarakatu and
    Astaghfirullah.
    DEREK: What do they mean?
    ABDULLAH: May the Peace, Mercy and Blessings of Allah be upon you.
    This is used as a greeting to all Muslims. The last word means, Allah
    forgive me. Well, I have to leave you now but be sure it will not be
    for long.
    DEREK: Assalamu Alaikum Warahmatullahi Wabarakatu and Astaghfirullah
    for being astray from the Truth all those years. May God bless you.
    You have occupied a great place in my heart and I will never forget
    you. Bye and talk to you later. Your brother in lslam, Derek, but I
    will call myself Eisa from now on.
    ABDULLAH: OK Eisa. I will leave you some final words of inspiration.
    Certainly, the ultimate goal of every individual is to be in Paradise
    forever. This reward of Paradise is too great to not have a price.
    That price is true faith, which is proven obedience to Allah and
    following the Sunnah of Prophet Mohammed (pbuh). THIS IS THE ROAD TO
    PARADISE. Let's stay in touch! Assalamu Alaikum!
    DEREK: O.K. Assalamu Alaikum Warahmatullahi Wabarakatu




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    dog Guest

    no it wasn't.
     
    dog, Jan 11, 2008
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    darsy Guest

    why bother?
     
    darsy, Jan 11, 2008
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    Des Guest

    Quite. Jesus was, after all, just a bloke who decided to call himself
    'Machiah', despite having no more right to that title than David Koresh.

    D.
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    des
    French Biking Vocabulary: http://minilien.fr/a0kg0p

    'Kaiser: "Can you prove to me the existence of G-d?"
    Bismarck: "The Jews, your Majesty. The Jews"'
     
    Des, Jan 11, 2008
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  5. Thinks immediately of "Life of Brian"!
     
    Mick Whittingham, Jan 11, 2008
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  6. One of the many many inaccuracies (too many to list!).

    And the bit about Gods language being Arabic is laughable..

    Phil
     
    Phil Launchbury, Jan 11, 2008
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  7. It's about as close to the truth as Des' statement..

    Phil
     
    Phil Launchbury, Jan 11, 2008
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    Steve Parry Guest

    In
    Why have you spoken with Him?

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    Colin Irvine Guest

    Here, have a ",".
     
    Colin Irvine, Jan 11, 2008
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  10. You mean "He's making it up as he goes along!"
     
    Mick Whittingham, Jan 11, 2008
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  11. Adopts Paul Hogan accent:

    "Well yer and He looks a lot like Charlton Heston".
     
    Mick Whittingham, Jan 11, 2008
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    Des Guest

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    des
    French Biking Vocabulary: http://minilien.fr/a0kg0p

    'Kaiser: "Can you prove to me the existence of G-d?"
    Bismarck: "The Jews, your Majesty. The Jews"'
     
    Des, Jan 12, 2008
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