The sad thing is...

Discussion in 'Motorcycle Racing' started by auscars, Jul 24, 2006.

  1. auscars

    auscars Guest

    Hayden actually thinks he is good.....
     
    auscars, Jul 24, 2006
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  2. auscars

    js1 Guest

    That seems to be what the results say...
     
    js1, Jul 24, 2006
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  3. Yeah, you have evidence to refute that?

    Which orifice is it you are spouting out of again??
     
    bartshumandad, Jul 24, 2006
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  4. auscars

    auscars Guest

    Rossi has had 2 engine failures, and a tyre failure thus far.The
    accident @ Assen was his fault and am not taking that into
    consideration

    How soon we forget, Rossi and Hayden on the same bike in the past and
    Rossi TRIPLES the points of Hayden.

    Hayden is flat out beating debutant Pedrosa FFS

    On top of this Rossi been given a inferior bike to last season [well
    done Yamaha] that is a pig to set up..... when will the agony stop.


    The one in your fanatsy land where you think that on the same machinery
    Hayden would be near Rossi....yeah at the start line i suppose....
     
    auscars, Jul 24, 2006
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  5. auscars

    js1 Guest

    You can say the above...
    And, this in the same breath? When Nicky was getting beat by Rossi,
    he was not only a rookie in MotoGP, but a rookie on a world stage.
    Pedrosa is a 2-time 250 champ.
    How can you blame Hayden for this?
    So, in the year where Rossi is struggling, why is it that Hayden has
    been the one to step up in the title fight? Nothing against Melandri
    had his bad luck. Let's not forget that Hayden is riding a development
    bike that neither Pedrosa nor Melandri would touch.

    Hayden may not be a Rossi (who else is?), but so far he's shown himself
    to be the best of the rest.
     
    js1, Jul 24, 2006
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  6. auscars

    This old Bob Guest

    He is good. Just not the best, perhaps.
     
    This old Bob, Jul 24, 2006
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  7. auscars

    Andrew Guest

    Does anyone have any comments as to Andrew Pitt's World SuperSport
    championship a few years ago when he didn't win any races?

    Curious if you guys felt that was a hollow one.

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    Andrew, Jul 24, 2006
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  8. auscars

    Jake Guest

    So Dani pulls a fast lap early in the race, while Hayden is following
    Junior around in 3rd (ahead of Pedrosa, note!), then Hayden runs away
    for 20 laps, and with four laps to go and a four second lead, he
    decides to back off by half a second a lap, and this means that he
    didn't outride Dani? Or in Germany, where Hayden pushes Pedrosa aside
    for 3rd, then deals with Pedrosa's counterattack by literally leaning
    on him until he gives up; does that not count as outriding him either?

    What sort of bizarre MarkN-esque world are we in?
    Beats Hayden sometimes, gets beaten by Hayden sometimes, occasionally
    loses the front and puts it in the gravel.
    Spends a lot of time in the 5th-7th place region, unluckily caught up
    in a turn one melee, when the bike is good he's good for a podium, when
    it's not, he's not.
    Bike not ready for prime-time at the start of the season, qualifies
    poorly leading to getting caught in turn 1 melees and also possibly to
    tire failure - charging through the pack from 10th place isn't as easy
    as biding your time in 3rd until two laps from the end.

    Hayden: 2 wins, on the podium 9 times, turns what could have been two
    DNFs into a 7th and a 2nd.

    The FIM is perfectly capable of changing the points scheme from
    25-20-16-13-etc to 30-20-10-0; but until they do, the smart riders will
    ride like Hayden is now.

    -jake
     
    Jake, Jul 24, 2006
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  9. auscars

    pablo Guest

    Dude, Rossi has risen to the occasion, he's ridden his ass off when the bike
    hasn't failed. To ask him to do the mathematically and humanly impossible to
    "prove how great he is" is totally silly. Rossi has ridden at a high level.
    Hayden has done was a pro does, he's been there to take advantage. No more,
    no less, in one case or the other. If you're going to say "Rossi didn't rise
    to the occasion", you'd have to also ask why Hayden hasn't been winning when
    Rossi wasn't able to. I for one do neither.

    ....pablo
     
    pablo, Jul 25, 2006
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  10. auscars

    js1 Guest

    His bike did not. It's pretty clear the Yamaha is not that great of a
    bike. And, it's taking someone like Rossi to get the results it's
    gotten.
     
    js1, Jul 25, 2006
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  11. auscars

    auscars Guest

    5 to go 51 points behind, it looks like it cannot be Rossi.Either
    Pedrosa or Marco *can* do it depending how hungry they are

    NO, Hayden is not a great rider just a good rider, been lucky, [make
    your own] stayed out of trouble and up front most weekend [so he jolly
    well should be, has the best bike and team/budget and years of
    practice.ed.]

    What ever happened to the *super* riders USA produced like Rainey,
    Lawson, Shwantz, Snr.Roberts, hell even Kosinski was better than this
    current lot?
     
    auscars, Jul 25, 2006
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  12. Actually, an interesting mini interview with burgess yesterday, he
    blamed Val for the problems in setup during practice. He did it as a
    complement to Val's incredible riding skills, but said val was just
    riding around problems during practice instead of trying to fix them.
    Then when it's time to push it for Qualifying, there is no more left
    to go, then saturday night and sunday morning the team comes up with
    changes that save him much of the time, but not always. So interesting
    that the great development rider is having issues of his own on setup.

    Bruce
     
    Bruce Hartweg, Jul 25, 2006
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  13. What ever happened to the *super* riders Oz produced like Doohan and
    Gardner?
     
    Carl Sundquist, Jul 25, 2006
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  14. auscars

    pablo Guest

    I heard the first part, which all riders do, but didn't hear Burgess ever
    claim "instead of fixing them". The "either or" proposition is not something
    that came out of the interview for me.

    ....pablo
     
    pablo, Jul 25, 2006
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  15. auscars

    js1 Guest

    Well, the fact is he's having to compensate for a bad M1. It seems like
    Yamaha is highly sensitive to the new Michelin tires. Yamaha doesn't
    seem to have that parameter quite worked out.
     
    js1, Jul 25, 2006
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  16. auscars

    js1 Guest

    Compared to Rossi, everybody else in MotoGP is just a "good" rider.
    Traction control...
     
    js1, Jul 25, 2006
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  17. auscars

    Ed Light Guest

    He's developing a new bike. Perhaps it isn't going perfectly.


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  18. auscars

    js1 Guest

    Somehow, I don't think auscar is Aussie... ;-)
     
    js1, Jul 25, 2006
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  19. auscars

    Fwoar Guest

    he is a troll thats been around aus.motorcycles for years & goes by "hatz"

    many stories have been written how he stirs the pot & of course how the
    Italians are the greatest.

    He hates Honda too except when there is an Italian on board

    Notice he hasn't said "anything" about Ducati's recent poor form?
     
    Fwoar, Jul 25, 2006
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  20. All riders have to compensate for their bikes, that's part of the game.
    You think Everyone else on the grid has a perfect bike and perfect setup?

    Yeah, just like last years the tires worked great for Yam, and gave the
    hondas chatter problems for 2/3 of the season.

    Bruce
     
    Bruce Hartweg, Jul 25, 2006
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