The road toll is our fault

Especially when it's so close to "Felcher" too

 

[big grin]
Clem

 

In others there's plenty, ant others don't need high speed eye input to stay
awake. Many don't fall asleep listening to anything calmer than Metallica
too.

Yes and some don't, seeing average drivers don't post here, only the driving
aus.cars elite, we may never know.

 

I get more tired the faster I drive, it requires more concentration.

Most of the whingers here are refering to their 1hour commute to work.

 

Some may say they have less chance of falling asleep at 250kph, are you ok
sharing the road with anyone who thinks that for safety reasons they should
be allowed do those speeds regularly.

 

But we a but a shadow compared to aus.motocycles

 

of course I will be safer travelling at 100
I know that I can stop a shit load quicker at 100 than I can at 130
and I'm sure that would be the same with your vehicle

but again if you have trouble driving at 100 without falling asleep then
you should change the way you drive, everyone else seems to be able to
do it

Kev

 

Depends... on some boring wide roads that are really designed for 130

I've driven to cairns and back twice (once to cooktown in fact) in recent
times, and I have to agree with the above post - and I dont mean yours
"Rainbow Warrior"

At 100kph its boring. The car engine drones, the tires road noise sings a
gentle lullaby and you feel like you're doing about 50kph. At 120kph, its
completely different. The revs are just out of the "drone zone", the tires
road noise isnt nearly as relaxing and you feel like you're actually moving.
God knows what the magic behind that figure is, but on one of the trips I
was in an R33 skyline, and for any period of time I wasnt watching the
speedo (I know, I'm a lunatic! I was watching the ROAD and the surrounding
conditions INSTEAD OF MY SPEED!!@#!@) I would default to 120kph. Every time.
The second trip was in a work van with cruise control and it too ended up on
120kph.

The added bonus is that you spend 20% less time on the road too, which over
a 12 hour drive (bris -> mackay, mackay -> cairns) is significant. It allows
you to have a few breaks and stops to stretch your legs and still do the
drive in the same time as someone doing it at 100kph straight through - with
less driving time and plenty of stops to refresh.

Anyway, long story short... I drove at 120kph (or well over, we hit 200kph
in the skyline) the whole way and somehow managed to not have an accident,
not rape a nun or eat a baby or any of those other things that are meant to
happen when you speed.

(FWIW, theres something awfully satisfying about overtaking some arrogant
fsckwit in a 4x4 towing a caravan whos sat at or below 80kph for a good 20
minutes in front of you without pulling to the left to let you see past and
overtake. Even more satisfying when the 8 cars that have ended up stuck
behind said fool overtake with you at full throttle, leaving a selfish grey
nomad to mutter to Berryl about young people these days.)

 

but again if you have trouble driving at 100 without falling asleep then

ROFL!


How many accidents are caused by people falling asleep at the wheel?
You dont do much long distance driving, do you?
http://www.monash.edu.au/muarc/reports/papers/fatigue.html


FWIW...
"The majority of collisions occurred on single-lane, non-urban roads where
the offending vehicle has either left the roadway and hit a tree, rolled
over or crossed to the other side of the road and collided head-on with
another vehicle," Chief Superintendent Hartley said.
http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,17764955-2,00.html?from=rss
http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,17911457-421,00.html?from=rss
http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,17920223-421,00.html?from=rss
http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,17955425-1245,00.html?from=rss
http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,17932661-1243,00.html?from=rss
http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,17907158-1242,00.html?from=rss
http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,17900652-1244,00.html?from=rss
http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,17829877-1242,00.html?from=rss
http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,17730335-1245,00.html?from=rss
http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,17799636-601,00.html?from=rss

The above are all head on collisions on major highways (and funnily enough,
most are 4x4s.... hmm).
What causes head on crashes on highways? Of course, speed! Not falling
asleep at the wheel ....

 

Incoherent rambling doesn't constitute an argument.

Great, we've got Captain Spelling and Major Grammar as our aus.cars
ambassador...

 

I haven't done the math, but I wouldn't mind betting that the ground
pressure of a 4WD with those "stupid tyres" is about the same, or even less,
than a motorcycle. If not that, then a sedan.

It will surprise you to learn that the ground pressure of a M113A1 Aroured
Personnel Carrier is less than a human. I once saw a demo where one drove
over (pressure-activated) anti-personnel mines and didn't set them off.

 

Well, you've got two hands and a dick. Think of something.

Theo

 

Ohhhhh The logic is wrong. Its not entirely about axle weight. Thats
just one aspect. Its about the loads placed on the road.

And comparing it with a tracked vehicle is vey wrong. We have a
tracked vehicle so we can spread the load over 15 feet by maybe a yard
of track.. THe load is very small.

In a far more impressive demo of pressure loading I met a guy who had
been backed over by a leapard MBT On about his 3rd week in the army.
It went over his head. He is alive. Blind but alive.

But if a leapard accelerates hard it can tear the top inch of a bitumen
surface and spit it out the back.. It can also do 0 to 10 kph times
that wouldnt look silly from a bike.

Dave

 

Your most welcome.

 

Okay, leave aside all reference to tracked vehicles. I mentioned it to make
an easier visualisation of the effect of spreading the weight over a larger
area.

All else being equal, a 4WD with wide tyres has a lower ground pressure than
most people think.

 

Sure. Important to remember that thats only one variable tho. I
suspect 4wds are a major conributor to suburban road damage.. cos their
are so friggin many of em. Probably about 10 of em to equal the damage
of a small tray truck .. but then their are bloody well 10 of em

 

So that's what they mean when they say "If you're feeling drowsy; pull off
on the side of the road"...
Clem

 

Slippery roads are a big hazard around Tarago.

Al

 

Never experienced a "drone zone", maybe you should swap your modern mobile
lounge for something less comfortable?

 

That is a common misconception. In actual fact ground pressure is very
close to tyre pressure, and since 4WD's run higher pressure than most
passenger cars, their ground pressure is also higher. Pushbikes run with
the highest ground pressure of any road-going vehicle, yet I don't see
them tearing up the bitumen, so there is obviously much more to it than
just ground pressure.