The Police and racism

But was that because ukrm "corrected him" (whatever that means) or
because he met people who were openly gay and found they weren't evil
personified? Homophobia usually exists because of negative stereotypes
that are reinforced by parental and school upbringing and a lack of
exposure to gay people who might provide a positive view. For those of
us who have emerged from "the closet" it takes quite an effort to begin
to like yourself given the years and years of negative images that you
have been subjected to.

I tend to work on the principle that I judge people when I meet them and
try hard not to absorb all the gossip and views perpetrated by others.
My boss has a terrible habit of expressing negative comments about other
people who I haven't met but he has worked with before. I am then
lumbered with a negative view of the person before I've even met them. I
have had to correct him more than once because I'd rather judge people
for myself not have someone else do it on my behalf.

 

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That was me <blows Paul a kiss>

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Sounds OK to me.

 

I think it was more a case of changing the definition to something Paul
Condon would accept thus allowing the Met to be branded Institutionally
Racist.

Not wishing to disagree with your definition but the Lawrence enquiry
defined it as "the collective failure of an organisation to provide an
appropriate and professional service to people because of their colour,
culture or ethnic origin" and that was the definition finally accepted by
the Met.

 

On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 20:15:48 +0100, simonk wrote:

Who says they reflect society? Or should do?

Let's imagine an average person.

Now let's consider a subset of our society. Say: accountants. Is the
average acountant the same as the average Brit? I would say not! It (the
accountant) has been selected for those characteristics which make for a
good accountant.

The same is - or should be true of the police. The members of our police
forces are not determined by lot, but by selection so that they are more
fit for the job of upholding our laws than the average person.

It is therefore entirely right and proper that we expect our police
offficers to be better than us; and if we decide that racism is bad, then
our police officers should not be racist, even if we are.

 

Paul Corfield wrote

Have you tried taking all the mirrors down at home. That can help
sometimes, so I am told.

 

Champ wibbled incoherently

Not exactly. I was always a bit 'keep it to myself' about how I felt
about the gay, lesbian and other 6 genders apparent on ukrm. I was
brought up in a very strict Catholic/Military household, where anything
out of the norm was regarded as freaky and not to be trusted. I suppose
I was brought up well, if you want to be brought up a racist, sexist
homophobic and xenophobic bigot, a bit strange for a semi-furriner.

What made me change my mind and come to my senses about how I felt
towards the gays and others was sitting down and chatting to someone,
and then finding out afterwards that they weren't exactly what, or
indeed whom, I thought they were IYSWIM. I realised from that moment
that someone who is gay, or may have had some kind of major lifechanging
and gender changing surgery, is not necessarily a freak and deserves to
be treated as I'd treat anyone else. Respect is another matter, that
comes down to them deserving it over time.

Nowadays I couldn't hate someone who is gay purely for that alone.
They'd have to be some kind of proper **** as well for me to feel that
way about them.

That said, I do hate the way some gay blokes mince about though.



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Surely, no potential police officer will admit to being racist. Whilst
I don't agree totally with the way that this journo has gone about
things, how else would you go about uncovering things like this?
Sir...
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....possessing one nork and one bollock.

 

Quite possibly. I don't know much of the details of the case.

I wasn't defining. "it could be summarised" was what I said, and it
was a personal view. I am happy to agree with you. As I said, don't
know any details.

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Too true. I am a playworker but part of my job is to run the day to
day finances of our after school club. I am suited to working woth
children; I am _not_ suited to doing figure work. I take ages, I make
stupid errors, I hate it. I admire people who can do it day in day
out, even though I find, quite often, I don't like them.

I don't expect police officers to be better than me; I do expect them
to have large amounts of integrity and professionalism. If they hold
racist views in private (and I would hope they don't), I still expect
them to uphold the views that they agree to in their contracts -
which, if they are like my local government contract, will have a
clause they have to sign to say they support the anti-discrimination
policy the police force no doubt has in force.

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Nothing - some knocking of the police I can defend but I cant defend
what happened on that programme.

 

I take your point, but *you* haven't done anything. Those who think that all
the police should feel ashamed are just as bad as those who think all blacks
should be ashamed be Silcott was done for murder.

If *you* were backing the bloke on the program, then feel guilty, if you
happen to work in the same profession, relax.

Cheers,

Jon.