The Police and racism

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I had a profiling interview. Very bizarre. Complete flannel IMHO.

 

That's 'cos they're always in the kitchen, innit?

 

The Older Gentleman wrote

I had this day long overseen group role play interview for GEC a few
years back.

We had to do some task or other and about 8 of us ended up at the table
with the blue table cloth. Moderator comes over and explains the game
which is to build the empire state building out of sheets of A4 and lets
us get on with it, getting together as a team and letting our talents
show and shit. It took me two minutes to discover that none of them had
ever read Hitchhikers. Treaded me as very odd all day they did the
humourless bastards. And they never did settle on am appropriate
colour.

 

Funny UKRM doesn't seem to reflect the poplulation as a whole. A
laudably virtuous bunch. Medals all round. I can feel the clollective
warm glow through the monitor.




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AOL

I think the Met were cleverly conned by the Lawrence family barristers into
accepting a definition of 'institutionally racist' that would not be
recognised by the man on the street. I am not defending their performance on
that particular case or saying they don't have racist officers amongst their
ranks but I think by accepting that definition they have lowered their
public perception as an organisation and lowered the morale of their
officers.

 

It creates real problems when you can't lift crims because the organisation
is branded internally and externally.
**** knows what the answer is but the problem starts with the whole
definition of racism IMHO. Planning to give somebody a kicking or killing
them simply because of their tribe is racist and bonkers. Not liking some
particular ethics or habits of that tribe just isn't. HS is a tribal beast
and always will be. Acknowledging this fact, bringing it into the open,
accepting it but lightening up on it and working *with* it in ways that
benefit all would be a good start. Calling a Paki a Paki being a
disciplinary offence just brings the entire fucking shebang into disrepute
and makes it really hard to deal with things that actually are damaging.

Some of the shit one of those blokes on the documentary was
spouting/admitting to was sufficiently extreme that I am surprised he was
not arrested today.

 

Sir should visit Soweto:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/g2/story/0,3604,1033028,00.html

 

Depends which 'man on the street' you ask. Back in the late '70s, me
and lots of other right-on types were convinced that the Met was
institutionally racist. Apart from well-documented instances I read
of, I also witnessed the most appalling racist behaviour by the Met on
several occasions. Nothing I have seen since caused me to change my
mind until after the Lawrence case, when real efforts seem to have
been made.

Institutional racism is not well understood, it is true. When accused,
the Met first denied it. Then there was a gap, during which I surmise
they were being told what it meant. Then they held up their hands.

For those who do not understand the concept, it could be summarised as
being a racist culture in a group within society where it becomes the
norm to stereotype (eg calling all Asians Pakis (which by the way, is
a real insult to many Asians), make jokes about black people, call
your colleagues coons/niggers in an 'affectionate' way without their
permission (all as documented in TV progs by black police trainees in
the '80s). As it becomes the norm, the racists among the group feel
affirmed and gain in strength and the not-really-racists join in to be
accepted by their peers. And so it grows and gains the hegemony maong
that group.

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And then we got "Love thy neighbour". Strangely, everyone loved it
because it made "Honky" look stupid and ignorant, and "Nig Nog" look
really bright. The same people would have thrown a wobbly if a
sugarandspoon had moved in next door to them.

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Firstly most aren't going to say unless they're terminally dense, many
others will be cute enough to know where the tests are coming from,
especially if you've done a few.

The bottom line if that there are many people out there who dislike or hate
various groups, not just races. If you look for saint like souls then you'll
never be able to recruit enough police imho...

Perhaps we should put Bear in change of Police PR...

JH

 

Where do you draw the line? I'd like to see the same apply to journos and
politicians, most of the tabloids and almost all of the MPs would have to
go... ;-)

JH

 

Of course it does. There's nothing "positive" about positive descimination
imho.

Or the x number of wimmin in parliament.

Amen to that.

JH

 

Why ashamed? Christ, what have *you* done?

JH

 

No doubt this point is generally true; howver, it is possible for
people to change their beliefs. I know of one ukrmer who was fairly
seriously homophobic until ukrm, er, corrected him.

 

Shouldn't be a surprise. Not everyone has a computer at home,
and many don't have an internet connection. And those with
an internet connection don't find newsgroups...

 

M J Carley wrote

I may, for all practical purposes, currently live as one but I have no
desire to actually become a eunuch.

 

JC wrote

I used to know a bloke who got killed for a chip. He was white and a
**** and so was his murderer, although the police never actually called
it murder cos he was a **** and they weren't sorry to see the bloke
dead.

 

You oversee an emperor's knocking shop?

 

M J Carley wrote

I a sense yes but not one which gives me any pleasure.