The Police and racism

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3203287.stm

Interesting story.

I do wonder what planet Mr Blunkett is on if he believes "diversity"
training will prevent people from acting in a racist manner. Surely the
issue for the police is to ensure they never recruit people with this
belief set in the first place?

The "whinge" from the North Wales Deputy Chief Constable about the BBC
not telling North Wales police what was in the programme is a bit
pathetic. What right have they got to advance warning when this sort of
appalling behaviour is uncovered?

And - sweeping statements time - why are the Chief Constables so shocked
that racist behaviour exists in the police and would be displayed by
trainees when e.g. the Met has been found to be institutionally racist?
Doesn't the behaviour go hand in hand with the way the organisation
passes on its culture and values?

 

And how do you propose they ascertain if someone is racist during an
interview?
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Wasn't/Isn't this on TV some time this week?

 

There would be almost no police if they did that.

Those featured in the programme were extreme, skillfully egged on by the
journo making the programme.

Political Correctness is strangling the police and making it difficult to
function effectively. There is something drastically wrong when they have
to consult with "community leaders" before making an arrest or searching
somewhere in some parts of the country, in case it offends the ethnic
minorities.

We are now seeing the long term plans of some sections of the community
coming to fruition. Years of bleating about racism have now made them
vitually untouchable, to carry on whatever wrong doing they are engaged in.

An unpopular opinion I know, but I haven't had the benefit of being
brainwashed at school/uni etc.

Bill

 

I have a strong feeling that the positive discrimination in the Police
(targets for recruitment of ethic minority officers) is actually
fostering resentment and racism.

There is obviously a case for more careful screening of potential
officers from a psychological and social attitude point of view, but I
really don't see why they can't just recruit 'Police officers' rather
than 'x black officers, x asian officers, x oriental officers'.

I guess though the Police are really just a distilled reflection of
the attitudes of the population as a whole, and in that case then we
need to work out why these attitudes are still present in the first
place.

 

Ask them what they think of blacks.

Or say 'Your first partner is a black wpc. She is set upon by thugs.
Do you a) go and help her, b) turn and look the other way, c) join in.?'


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Paul Corfield wrote

You're young aren't you?

I think Sir will find that when Sir looks closely at the CC Sir may be
forgiven if Sir detects signs of insincerity. After all he could hardly
be expected to admit that his blokes are at all representative of the
population at large and between them hold many and varied views on many
and varied subjects?

I refuse to believe that there are more racist pigs by proportion than
civilian ones. Sorry but it is bollox to suggest otherwise. Sadly
there are pigs who put their personal beliefs above those of their duty
to catch crims. These people are the ones we want to find and throw
out.

I for one would be happy to be able to hear a copper say: "They may be
fucking pakis but they are as entitled as anybody else to the benefits
of the law while we sort out sending the bastards home." At least then
I would only have the one issue with the ****.

 

Dr Zoidberg wrote

Fucking ask them.

 

Discussing this at work today - general feeling was that it is going
to take a fair amount of research to come up with an infallible
method. It has to be worth it though

Personally I think it should have been disclosed - at least to enable
the forces concerned to make responses. In the end though that side of
things really doesnt bother me - I`m more concerned about the
behaviour shown than petty arguements after the event

What concerned me most was that this wasnt a demonstration of
institutional racism - it was an appalling demonstration of overt
racism. And having spoken at length today with my colleagues I can say
that we were as one - totally appalled and ashamed.

 

Bill wrote

Right on. You was brainwashed before you even went to school.

 

1. We are all racist to some degree but in work we must conduct ourselves in
a way that is not dominated by personal beliefs.

2. As a middle aged white bloke I like it when the police are a bit
prejudiced in my favour and hope to get off when I am stopped for going a
few indiscrete miles over the limit in a non built up area.

John

 

You can't honestly say you think that people will answer questions like that
truthfully?
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"Then I hide until it goes away"

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*Exactly*

And do you want extremists in such an organisation? Don't be such a
fucking imbecile.

The police also did themselves *no* favours by arresting him, banging
him up, and charging him with obtaining a pecuniary advantage by
deception (that one was canned), criminal damage (making a hole for the
pinhole camera in his flak jacket) and, er, something else.

And, as ever, all we hear is complaints against the messenger, not the
message.

The five who've resigned (or been made to) - good. There should be more.

 

Ben wrote

It takes time to work itself out of the system.

Prior to the 1960's the only people bleating on about racism were the
wogs, who didn't count as people, the proto BHaLC members, who were
married off and silenced by having babies and big parties and fashion,
and the Trots, who were only proles and were all going to die first as
soon as the next war could be arranged anyway.

Although we didn't have anything like the issues that the merkins did,
the new fangled monochrome jewel flickering in its own strange light in
the corner of the room brought the issue home to us in a manner of
speaking.

Remember, at this time there was a load more British wogs joining the
population and the bastards were breeding and making their fair share of
English wog sprogs so we were actually starting to notice them in
numbers where they simply hadn't even been before. Butlin's and
shopping in the west end and places like that.

Some bright spark cottoned on to the fact that wogs were oppressed
workers too and the Marxists who, despite being caught in kin *huge*
numbers were fucking *everywhere*, took up the cause and flogged it lock
stock and barrel along with equality for bitches and the union is your
friend to the labour movement. Who were doing the legislating at the
time.

By the time the 70's was drawing to an end kids were being taught
officially that they had to have an opinion and that dissing wogs was
not cool dude. Course what opinions they already had got forming
depended a lot on their parents.

Those children of parents who held strong views, in the main, held views
of their own similar to those of their parents. Those children of
parents called Blaney were told to have opinions by the proto BHaLCites
and as the only one they were ever allowed to hear officially was: peace
love and understanding, they publicly mumbled summat about, "whatever
the proto BHaLC wanted being fine" with them and all went and secretly
voted for Maggie first opportunity they got.

Over the last 40 years, in the main, society has become more tolerant of
wogishness, for want of a better word but it will take generations to
work out the few last remaining cunts. Sadly we cannot do this as
quickly if they are not allowed to express their opinions openly.

But of course none of the above answers the question of: why are their
so few wogs who ride bikes? And I don't ever recall ever seeing a black
bitch ever, 'cept for in porn.

 

Dr Zoidberg wrote

Don't see why not.

I have had some very strange interviews, which included profiling. I am
confident some of them tested my views on racism.

FFS I am in the middle of one right now.

 

The Older Gentleman wrote

Wossat thing they do to shut up the press about it? Now that the trial
has started you can't report certain things? That one?

Kin good move from their POV what. Right I reckon as well, because this
one is going to roll *forever* and will, by it's very nature, be as
public as it is possible to make it.

The pigs don't like their internals on display and the press are equally
not as fond of anyone messing with their freedom to **** you over.

I reckon it is a plant by Blur to take our attention away from the fact
that he will be taking Saturdays off regular from now on.

 

JP wrote

Yer bike is dirty?

 

20 odd years ago I went for a job at the big training college near
Hartley Whintney, where I would have had a hand in things to do with
racial discrimination. They asked me "How would you train a copper not
to be racist". I said "I wouldn't, I'd only allow non-racist applicants
in". What goes around comes around eh? I didn't get the job.

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I can't see that there's ever going to be an infallible method of detecting
racism, there are only going to be increasingly more subtle ways of finding
and weeding out those who are too stupid to hide their views.

I see one of the stories today announced the first step on this road;
planting trainees to report back on the behaviour of new recruits.

I'm happy to admit that I'm no expert on the police, but my understanding of
it leads me to think two things:

1. It's a bad idea to begin to foster an air of suspicion within an
organisation that relies on team-work to save lives, keep the peace and
maintain the safety of us all.

2. That if I was a coloured officer I'd like to know, up front, who was
against me - so that I didn't find out when I was relying on them to cover
my back and they're looking the other way[1].

I'm happy to be corrected of course.

[1] Although obviously there's a world of difference between making racist
comments and/or telling racist jokes because you believe that, in the
circumstances, it will make you look like one of the lads and actually
refusing to help somebody or intentionally hurting them.


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Only WASPs are racist, by definition.
It is quite impossible for Johnny Foreigner to be racist,
no matter what his beliefs or behaviour.