The Perils of Heavy Traffic

Discussion in 'Australian Motorcycles' started by Phil, Feb 1, 2006.

  1. Phil

    Phil Guest

    Well, it finally happened.

    After 6 years of riding to work every day, rain, hail or sunshine....
    The traffic got the better of me and I had my first 'commuting'
    incident....

    Picture Punt Rd, Melbourne, between High St and Commercial Rd, just
    South of Grattan St. Heavy traffic, but flowing at about 15-20kmh with
    me heading North.

    I'm the zone between the parked cars and the moving traffic,
    necessarily keeping an eye out for people who might open doors, and the
    occasional loony who pulls out without looking, when suddenly...

    Said loony does exactly that, and about a car length in front of me,
    with me travelling slightly faster than the traffic, he/she pulls out
    to apparently squeeze a Red Citroen hatch in a motorcycle sized-space.

    Naturally, I brake. Also naturally, because it's wet, the front wheel
    loses traction and I go down like a sack of spuds!

    Soooo... what's to be learnt from this one? Of course I could take the
    obvious approach and never split between parked cars and moving
    traffic, or, maybe I could've split a little more slowly (I wasn't
    going fast, by any stretch of the imagination... not even fast enough
    to tear my wetpants when I the bitumen!) or maybe I could just not do
    it in the wet.

    At any rate, next time I'm riding in the rain, I should probably wear
    my leathers.... my knee hurts (again).

    Cheers everyone and stay safe.

    Phil
     
    Phil, Feb 1, 2006
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  2. Phil

    Phil Guest

    Ooops.. that should've read 'Greville St', not Grattan...
     
    Phil, Feb 1, 2006
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    john doe Guest

    try splitting on the right side. less likely to get smoked by cars
    pulling into the traffic as well...
     
    john doe, Feb 1, 2006
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  4. Phil

    Phil Guest

    yeah, trouble with that is... Punt Rd is 4 lanes only, so I'd be
    splitting up the middle of the road ;-)

    I agree though, whenever I have the option of splitting between moving
    cars or splitting between parked cars and moving cars, I'll take the
    first option every time.
     
    Phil, Feb 1, 2006
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  5. In aus.motorcycles on 31 Jan 2006 18:12:28 -0800
    Not because it was wet... But because you haven't practiced braking in
    the wet.

    If you went down all the time if you used brakes in the wet, what
    would be the use of riding?

    Now it's not *always* rider error, sometimes there really is deisel on
    the road. But, especially on modern bikes, it's more likely that
    extra panic that hits the brakes too hard.

    So what have you learned?

    1) go slower in the wet so you have more time and less panic reaction.
    2) practice your emergency braking in the wet as well as in the dry.

    Zebee
     
    Zebee Johnstone, Feb 1, 2006
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  6. Phil

    Phil Guest

    Zebee,

    You might want to re-read my introductory comment: "After 6 years of
    riding to work every day, rain, hail or sunshine.... "

    This would suggest to me, that, maybe it has a bit less to do with
    inexperience at riding in the wet than you have proposed. As I thought
    I had pointed out quite clearly, I ride in the wet all the time. I have
    had to brake suddenly in the wet numerous times. Never have I come off.
    I think this has more to do with the proximity of the car to me when
    they pulled out, and possibly, as I also said quite clearly already,
    the fact that I might have been travelling a little too fast
    considering the conditions. On reflection, it's quite possible that my
    front tyre was on the white lines when I braked - who knows.

    Phil
     
    Phil, Feb 1, 2006
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  7. Phil

    Phil Guest

    Thanks Moike

    Punt road in the morning is one of those things - traffic generally
    travelling at snail's pace, and often plenty of room to squeeze between
    the parked cars and the moving traffic because it's quite a wide road
    (hence the odd car also trying to squeeze in that space). It's a
    temptation that's very hard to resist, especially when sitting in the
    traffic will mean a good 5-10 minutes extra added to the journey.
    However, I suspect that doing it in the wet, certainly at a speed
    faster than the traffic is moving, is a recipe for disaster. Not much
    room to react, and too many added dangers around - parked cars (which
    both I and the bike were lucky not to hit) on one side, moving cars on
    the other, potential pedestrians etc etc.

    Also, the section of Punt Road that I was riding on was one with no
    side streets, as it was adjacent to a large private school (Wesley
    college, for the Melburnians). I will almost never filter like that
    when I'm on a section of road with side streets, again, for obvious
    reasons.

    Cheers

    Phil
     
    Phil, Feb 1, 2006
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    G-S Guest

    It's in situations like this where ABS can be helpful...


    G-S
     
    G-S, Feb 1, 2006
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  9. Phil

    Phil Guest

    Yeah, ABS or a soft mattress for when I hit the ground ;-)

    It just occurred to me.... when I said 'pull out' in my original post,
    what I probably should have said was 'change lanes'... just for all
    those people thinking 'how can someone 'pull out' when there's no side
    streets?' ... :)

    So what in fact happened was that someone ducked to their left quickly
    in front of me, so they could get a look up the gap between the parked
    cars and the moving traffic, presumably to see if there were more
    parked cars up ahead, thinking they might be able to squeeze through
    the gap and get ahead themselves...

    Hope that makes it more clear.

    Cheers
     
    Phil, Feb 1, 2006
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    thebygdog Guest

    I've lost traction 3 times, once for no discernable reason, once
    because of oil (I found oil on my tires and on the road, so it's a safe
    bet that was the cause) and once on a metal expansion joint on a
    freeway exit during wet weather.

    Suffice to say that the experience of going down due to oil is in my
    limited experience, a very different kettle of fish: The 2 times it
    was not due to oil, I had time to shift my weight and recover from the
    slide (ok, the wet metal issue was more blind luck than good
    management, but I had quite a bit of time to panic in) whereas the time
    I hit oil it was like one moment all's well, the next, me and the bike
    are sliding down the road emitting sparks (the bike) and curses (guess)
     
    thebygdog, Feb 1, 2006
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  11. In aus.motorcycles on 31 Jan 2006 19:44:19 -0800
    It's not the riding. It's the emergency braking.

    Have you regularly practiced that in the wet?

    Zebee
     
    Zebee Johnstone, Feb 1, 2006
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    dave Guest


    Hmmmm I might want to do that soon. Hell of a while since I have locked
    a front wheel up and scared myself.
     
    dave, Feb 1, 2006
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    Boxer Guest

    Emergency braking in the wet?

    ABS do your duty!

    Boxer
     
    Boxer, Feb 1, 2006
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    Knobdoodle Guest

    ABS didn't help me when I crashed the R1100GS last year....
     
    Knobdoodle, Feb 1, 2006
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  15. Phil

    Knobdoodle Guest

    Ahh yes it does; now it's 100% your fault!!
    (And you've probably given our enemies some ammunition in the
    anti-lane-splitting movement too!)

    I hope the bike's not too damaged.
     
    Knobdoodle, Feb 1, 2006
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  16. Phil

    Phil Guest

    But but but doesn't the draft law state that splitting between parked
    cars and moving traffic is legal?
     
    Phil, Feb 1, 2006
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  17. And the cabin mirror in cars gives a better view to the right rather
    than the left, and the outside mirrors in the car were probably tuned
    for reverse parking rather than maximum rear view; even if the driver
    had looked in the mirrors you might have been invisible.

    I don't think you should have been lane splitting at all, let alone at
    the extreme left, but if I'd been riding a pushbike that's where I would
    have been, possibly with a similar (if less expensive) result. I don't
    think you'd get any sympathy at all from a group like Pedal Power.
    Their riders have to contend with parked cars opening RHS doors,lane
    changers. etc. without worrying about motorcycles moving at twice their
    pace charging up behind them.

    There's a convention that the slowest occupy the left (elderly
    pedestrians on the footpath) and the fastest occupy the right (demented
    bikers next to the median). You were way out of your range; the problem
    that suddenly emerged exceeded your skill in the conditions.

    I'm sorry you fell off, and I'm sorry you hurt your knee. But since you
    don't imply any real fault on your part, I'm less sympathetic than I
    would be if you'd misjudged a bend in the twisties and dropped it.

    --
    Cheers

    Andrew

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    Andrew McKenna, Feb 1, 2006
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  18. Phil

    Phil Guest

    I do practice 'sudden' braking in the wet, but of course I'm never
    going to push it to the point when I lost traction - certainly not on
    the road in any case!

    That said, I have done it on grass on a TU250X - which was kinda fun.

    To be honest, I really don't think I braked that hard. Like I said,
    having braked suddenly plenty of times in the past in the wet, I've
    never ever come even close to losing the front end. I got a wee
    squiggle *once*, but nothing more. I'm not in the habit of really
    clamping on the brakes, so I do wonder if maybe I hit a patch of
    something, or that my front tyre was on the paint.
     
    Phil, Feb 1, 2006
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  19. Phil

    Phil Guest

    Andrew,

    I won't disagree with anything you say, except for the 'not implying
    any fault on my part' bit... I do recall saying the following: 'I could
    take the obvious approach and never split between parked cars and
    moving traffic'...

    IMHO, misjudging a bend in the twisties and dropping it is really no
    different - riding outside the restrictions imposed by the road,
    weather or traffic conditions.

    Cheers

    Phil
     
    Phil, Feb 1, 2006
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  20. And how is the bike?
     
    John Smith 1882, Feb 1, 2006
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