The Nanny State - in an eggshell

Or violence, and yet sex is hidden from young people until they're
eighteen. Ever notice how the censors' message at the beginning of films
mentions 'sex and violence', as if they were synonomous? Children can see
films with body counts in the hundreds (my DVD copy of 'The Matrix', for
example, says 'accord parental' on the back, which is 'PG'), yet can't see
the act which resulted in their existence.

It's the natural (and inevitable) extension of 'the myth of the Child', in
which children are revered to such an extent in Western society, that even
their shits are sacred. Of course, placing the child at the centre of
society leads to the sort of hoodies, chavs and pikeys who don't give their
seat in the metro up for the handicapped and who think it's OK to verbally
or physically abuse people who bump into them in the street. Why? Because
they've been brought up being told that the known universe revolves around
them. I've brought this up in other threads and have been abused, so I'll
just sit down.

What do I know, anyway? I'm just a looney.

D.

 

Don't be silly - it's on the web, how can it not be true?

They can't say that high cholesterol (i.e. over current guidelines) may
be ok because it may not cause you any problems though, can they? There
has to be a figure for people to aim for to guarantee it won't cause
problems, & achieving that figure will probably be easier[1] if you
avoid certain foods such as eggs.

[1] At least the part of it's that's affected by food rather than by
genetics/smoking etc.

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Probably always have done. And so what?

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Err... so for the egg advisory board or whatever they're called to
pretend that eggs are wonderful, healthy things that can safely be
eaten in bulk by most people is a tad naughty.

Incidentally I have stupidly high cholesterol, but had a fry-up with 2
eggs for lunch, so it's not like I worry about it personally.

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Close but not right. The high cholesterol bit is much more an indicator
of poor[1] lifestyle management than a threat to your health, it is a
symptom not a cause[2]. If you do loads of the right sort of exercise
and eat a nicely balanced diet then your figures will be lower and you
will generally be healthier but this has nothing to do with cholesterol
in itself.


[1] As defined by those with a huge vested financial interest in scaring
the shits out of you.

[2] Rather like your beer gut, a fortnight without any booze and it
would disappear but the damage done to your liver acquiring it would
not.

 

**** all, as you're not a parent, nor even likely to be.

See above.

 

It's both, unless you don't believe that high levels of cholesterol in
the blood can cause narrowed arteries. I've always been led to believe
it does, & haven't seen anything to the contrary.


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I'll buy into that. I've had my cholesterol measured twice in the last
two decades; it was 5.1 units, then six years ago it was 7.2.

The last was when I was under a consultant for a potential
cardiovascular condition. Apart from high blood pressure (much higher
whenever I see a white coat or pair of pretty ankles) which was known
about, the c-v consultant couldn't find anything wrong, as in no
hardening of the arteries etc. On my treadmill test I lasted 9m40s,
which he said was very good (the nurse who was conducting it said 'you
aren't reaching the heartrate for your age' - was I supposed to run
off the end of the machine?).

I managed to intercept and bin the blood test report before the
consultant saw it, so I escaped the dreaded statins then. Now my
doctor's retired ("Statins? Whoever wants statins?"; smashing chap)
the locums running the show won't do anything without a consultation
and tests. I threw away my last request for a blood test, as they have
no way of knowing it was issued, so I'm going to have to dissemble
next time I see them.

I've got two friends on statins, and they share some things in common,
such as tiredness and fatigue, and aching muscles and joints amongst
them. I don't want to add these as well to my general condition, hence
the no-statins approach.

No-one seems be reseaching the reason why some mammals have huge
cholesterol levels, and yet don't get heart disease. Until then, I'll
give statins a miss. OMMV.

 

Anyway, I'm glad, I never liked Hancock that much in the first place...
miserable git!

David

 

Heh, very good.

 

Agreed. Interesting, though, how the kids portrayed are always boys.
Image the outcry if a TV ad showed a young girl on the toilet.

 

Too easy.

D.

 

Only if they actually showed any bits. Has anyone else noticed the ad
with lots of babies flying around has now had all there bits smudged
out? Fucking ridiculous.

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Get them on dry food and you'll never go back. Seriously.

 

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Unusually, we appear to be in complete agrement on this one.

 

The relationship between cholesterol and aterial/heart disease is much less
clear than many people realise. The relationship between diet and blood
cholesterol is also poorly understood. For example, despite being overweight
and having a diet high in all kinds of fats and oils (fried food, lots of
butter, cream, cheese, meat fat in bacon, sausages etc.) my cholesterol is
fine. OTOH I have known slim, fit people who eat a much "healthier" diet but
still have cholesterol higher than mine.

Eggs contain substantial amounts of cholesterol but they are unusual. Most
foods contain little or no cholesterol, most of your cholesterol is
manufactured in your body. There is no clear evidence that cholesterol is a
CAUSE of arterial/heart disease. There may be some association between the
two but that is not evidence of a causal relationship (there might be some
underlying common cause for both). AFAIK nobody can say with any certainty
how much difference lowering blood cholesterol makes to life expectancy (if
any). IMHO there is more bollocks talked about food and diet than there is
about any other health topic. It seems probable that the main issue isn't
what you eat - its how much. The relationship between obesity and risk of
heart disease is much more clearly established than the cholesterol
connection. I reckon if everbody ate what they felt like eating but just
ate LESS of it then it would produce far more improvement in health than all
these silly "healthy" diets.

 

A correlation (if there is one at all) is not proof of a causal
relationship. Anyway, I think you will find it difficult to find one
properly constituted study that conclusively demonstrates a direct
relationship between cholesterol and arterial/heart disease. For example,
most of the studies that have shown a relationship between high fat diets
and arterial/heart disease have completely ignored the fact that many people
who eat lots of fat also eat vast amounts of sugar. Sugar affects processes
in the body that are responsible for cholesterol production. Sugar can also
have serious affects on the vascular system as any diabetic knows. There is
quite a good case for arguing that high sugar intake may be MUCH more
related to arterial/heart disease than cholesterol - in some people it might
be the cause of both high cholesterol in the bood AND arterial/heart
disease.