the moral compass

M J Carley :

Indeed, and all of them have very nasty bugs, just like windows.

Oh for ****'S SAKE!

There are loads of badly written linux programs out there, and some of
them do something very like that - at least one created over 30,000 zombie
processes on a work-mates machine the other day in a few hours of use.

 

Most *nix systems have per user limits. The defaults tend to be very
generous because administrators are nice people and most systems are
workstations, it doesn't matter so much if someone screws their system.
Fork bombs might have been a problem a decade or two ago.

 

Tippex tends to crack up and fall off after a while..

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M J Carley :

They do, however, get completely fucked by copy-protected CDs. Gah!

 

Mr Precision :

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

None of the unix boxes I use have a system administrator. Neither do any
of the windows machines, come to that.

Unless you count me, that is, but I don't know anything about system
admin, I just use computers to play/work.

 

Muck

Not if you mix it with kautschuk (sp?) first. But I agree,
it looks a bit naff. Now, I hope there isn't a legal requirement to
have boots with laces on yer bike, is there?

 

Yes they do. He just isn't paid to do it or worse, none of them are paid
to do it.

It's a false economy for a business not to make use of the services of a
competent admin. I've just finished sorting out the spagetti like mess
which was the engineering dept of the company I used to work for. Their
builds now run on average 40 times faster than they used to, seconds to
minutes rather than hours to days, every engineer has transparent(and
secure) access to several hundred CPUs rather than half a dozen, they can
run several unattended tests per day 24 hours per day on their rigs rather
than having to stand over a couple per week and they haven't spent a penny
in new hardware or additional software licenses.

 

Mr Precision :

No, you don't understand. Most of the machines I use, I own; most of
what's left are owned by people who don't know the first thing about
computers once past the Outlook, Word, & Explorer level.

There are probably 1000s of machines that I 'use' in their capacity as
some kind of server or other, and I'm sure most of them are admin'd, but
in terms of machines I have keyboard/mouse access to, none are.

According to M Carley, the fact that you can't delete system files
without changing to a different user makes unix 'the way forward'.
I think this is wrong in two ways - firstly it means that unix's entire
advantage can be wiped out by windows adding a 'log on as a different
user' dialog to the deletion of system files which makes it no advantage
at all.

Secondly, unix has a number of other advantages and some disadvantages
(X for a start) - no OS can claim to be 'the way' for anything but a
subset of users, and even then I'd say it could only be part of a real
solution to the many problems that computer systems have.

As it happens, neither windows nor *nix are, or will be, the best
operating system for the majority of users on the majority of computers.

HTH.

 

Whoever installs software and switches machines on/off are the
administrators.

The real advantage for Unix is that it has a philosophy.

You can already su in windows and it's had role segregation for a while
now so i'm not sure it's a real advantage though the default permissions
are a joke.

A free cross platform built in remote display protocol is a disadvantage?

That'd be TRON.

 

Last time I bought an HP-UX machine, it wasn't free.

 

Mr Precision :

Not necessarily, but X *is*.

It's ancient creaking design shows up every time you try and push it -
it can't even do alpha-blending for ged's sake.

I think the most commonly used operating system in this country is
probably OS9, or something like that.

 

That's what you get for buying HP-UX. Sucker...

 

What else do you suggest I buy to run software which only runs on HP-UX?

It hasn't passed me by that you failed to answer my point.

 

It's an extension, but yes it can.

 

You sure you're not thinking of Motif/VUE/CDE?

Given the choice of HP-UX or some other software, choose some other
software.

That you paid for something which is free?

 

I'm sure.

No, you don't understand. There is a piece of software that I had to
run, that only runs on HP-UX.

 

Quotas Win2k can do, not sure about NT.

Process-per-user is immaterial because Windows NT-varients are not
multi-user.

 

**** that. Where's fun without the mess?

Good clean fun has never existed.

 

Oh I understood. But it isn't worth it. HP-UX is the shitest crapest pile
of unreliable steaming shit that has ever been called Unix. If ever you
have the choice of running an application on HP-UX or slitting your wrist,
choose the latter.

 

I'll be just here then - behind the sofa, as is traditional in times
of trouble.

Best of luck, Doc.