the moral compass

Discussion in 'UK Motorcycles' started by darsy, Oct 20, 2003.

  1. darsy

    Muck Guest

    Ask Google or something, I'm sure that in it's 11+ year life that there
    are a couple of web pages about this subject.

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    Muck, Oct 23, 2003
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    ogden Guest

    ITYM "wibble flip dibble doo". HTH. HAND.
     
    ogden, Oct 23, 2003
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    Muck Guest

    Heh..

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    Muck
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    Muck, Oct 23, 2003
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    ogden Guest

    Whereas standard issue Redhat, Solaris, etc. are practically military
    grade, eh?
     
    ogden, Oct 23, 2003
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    darsy Guest

    tell that to Pavlov...
     
    darsy, Oct 23, 2003
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    Ben Blaney Guest

    Regular occurrence at Lucent:
    "Ben, I'm going out for a smoke."
    "Right, I'll come out for a stand."
     
    Ben Blaney, Oct 23, 2003
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    Mr Precision Guest

    They don't have to do the work for free but for most commercial
    applications there is a free equivalent which only has to be good enough.
    There's money in customisation and support but it isn't anything like the
    scale of money Microsoft are making on licensing.

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    Mr Precision Guest

    And all the above fall into the category of specialised requirements and
    support. Not your average systems or applications. Which is why I mentioned
    that by default software would be free.
     
    Mr Precision, Oct 23, 2003
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    Mr Precision Guest

    I use and support mission critical software every day. I even get paid to
    do it. Ever heard of a support/maintenance agreement?
     
    Mr Precision, Oct 23, 2003
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    darsy Guest

    he only did that when the dogs were *really* bad.
     
    darsy, Oct 23, 2003
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    Colin Irvine Guest

    Dong.
     
    Colin Irvine, Oct 23, 2003
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    Colin Irvine Guest

    <thinks again>
     
    Colin Irvine, Oct 23, 2003
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    Mr Precision Guest

    Sun take the Open Office code, improve it here and there license it to
    anyone who wants it and provide support under the name StarOffice. Many of
    the developers work for Sun and write code for Open Office and Star Office.
    If you depend on it and want support, pay for it. If you don't don't.

    It's a common business model for free software.
    No. A lot of it is self interest.
     
    Mr Precision, Oct 23, 2003
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    Simian Guest

    sweller :
    Most of them work for Sun.

    Lots of it is. Some specific 'free' software is written by people paid
    to do so. Adobe Acrobat Reader, Netscape (rip), Open Office, quite a lot
    of the stuff produced by RedHat & SuSe, etc.

    Linus, for example, is paid a salary but does kernel stuff as a full
    time job, near enough.
     
    Simian, Oct 23, 2003
  15. ogden wrote
    Not quite. Trusted Solaris is a tad different. I wish I could tell you
    how it differs but they would shoot me if I did.
     
    steve auvache, Oct 23, 2003
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    mups Guest

    That's my point support costs real money and no business is going to rely
    on software which may or may not get fixed sometime depending on weather
    the developer can be arsed, and if you have to pay for support then it's
    not free software is it.
     
    mups, Oct 23, 2003
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    Verdigris Guest

    On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 08:14:54 +0000, William Grainger wrote:

    True enough. Same as the way some people stay loyal to a particular brand
    of motorcycle, (or anything else, come to that).
    Aye.
     
    Verdigris, Oct 23, 2003
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    Mr Precision Guest

    I refer the honourable gentleman to the post I made originally.
     
    Mr Precision, Oct 23, 2003
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    Simian Guest

    M J Carley :
    But Gnome (et al) don't.

    while (fork());

    It's perfectly possible for a badly written program to seriously ****
    most *nix systems.
     
    Simian, Oct 23, 2003
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    Simian Guest

    Des Coughlan :
    Pardon my ignorance (yeah, yeah, I know ...), but how can a user-executed
    or non set-uid program, **** up anything other than userland files ?[/QUOTE]

    'files' are not everything.

    The fork bomb will (eventually) prevent everyone except the superuser
    from starting a new process. Try it. And then tell me how the average
    user (i.e. the one currently running XP which came pre-installed on his
    PC World beige box) is going to know how to deal with it.


    It was just an example, a badly installed SUID program could be much
    more dangerous, and as for the previously mentioned numpty having to
    become superuser to change the configuration of his home PC - the
    possibilities are endless.
     
    Simian, Oct 24, 2003
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