"the love that dare not speak there names"

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  1. Peter Lucas

    Peter Lucas Guest

    Persecuter; What is "the love that dare not speak there names"?

    Oscer Wilde; "the love that dare not speak there names" in this
    century is such a great affection of an elder for a younger man as
    there was between David and Jonathan, such as Plato made the very
    basis of his philosophy, and such as you find in the sonnets of
    Michelangelo and Shakespeare. It is that deep, spiritual affection
    that is as pure as it is perfect. It dictates and pervades great works
    of art like those of Shakespeare and Michelangelo, and those two
    letters of mine, such as they are. It is in this century
    misunderstood, so much misunderstood that it may be described as the
    "Love that dare not speak its name," and on account of it I am placed
    where I am now. It is beautiful, it is fine, it is the noblest form of
    affection. There is nothing unnatural about it. It is intellectual,
    and it repeatedly exists between an elder and a younger man, when the
    elder man has intellect, and the younger man has all the joy, hope and
    glamour of life before him. That it should be so, the world does not
    understand. The world mocks at it and sometimes puts one in the
    pillory for it."

    [The speech caused a loud burst of applause to erupt from the
    gallery of the courtroom.]

    ~ Oscer Wilde, playwright

    The story of Oscer Wilde can be found in an excellent small book, The
    Early Homosexual Rights Movement (1864-1935), by John Lauritsen and
    David Thorstad, published by Times Change Press, New York.

    Peter Lucas
    Brisbane
    Australia

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    Peter Lucas, Aug 21, 2010
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    Magda Guest

    <snipitidoo>


    =====
    It sounds much better in French, but then, everything does.
     
    Magda, Aug 21, 2010
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    J Guest


    Except that it was spoken in English, in a London courtroom.

    And the correct quote is "the love that dare not speak ITS name."
     
    J, Aug 22, 2010
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    hippo Guest

    Apart from which, either of the original titles would have needed to read
    "the loves" <pedant hat off>

    I'm still puzzled though. In what *car* did either Wilde or the Magistrate
    journey to the courtroom? :)
     
    hippo, Aug 23, 2010
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