The law about motorcycle combinations and helmets.

Discussion in 'UK Motorcycles' started by Alasdair Baxter, Sep 6, 2003.

  1. Alasdair Baxter

    dwb Guest

    Go get 'em Ivan.

    FFS!
     
    dwb, Sep 7, 2003
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  2. Yes, Agreed. I stand corrected.

    The same place as a lot of uk.legal denizens. Looking like a prat.
     
    The Older Gentleman, Sep 7, 2003
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  3. Alasdair Baxter

    Colin Irvine Guest

    Not quite right. They can prove that on at least one occasion there
    has been an illogical, even idiotic, interpretation of the law.
    However, I would have thought that only an idiot would promolgate that
    interpretation.

    I'm not sure where that leaves your protagonist.
     
    Colin Irvine, Sep 7, 2003
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  4. That, according to my calculations, is 8 hundredweights in Imperial
    weight. Now a Goldwing or a Yamaha Venture cannot be much short of
    that and if you fit a sidecar it has to be well over.
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    "It's not what you say that matters but how you say it.
    It's not what you do that matters but how you do it"
     
    Alasdair Baxter, Sep 7, 2003
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  5. Alasdair Baxter

    Ben Blaney Guest

    Instead of converting 410kg to hundredweight (whatever they are), why
    not just reference the weight of a Goldwing or a Yamaha Venture
    (whatever they are) in kilograms. This way, you'll be able to prove or
    disprove your theory.
     
    Ben Blaney, Sep 7, 2003
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  6. Alasdair Baxter

    nss Guest

    snip

    Are you perhaps saying that the 'Law' relating to such matters is completely
    out-of-touch with today's reality, or Magistrate's and Judges etc. are?
     
    nss, Sep 7, 2003
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  7. Alasdair Baxter

    nss Guest

    Really Tony, could you explain further?
     
    nss, Sep 7, 2003
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  8. No, he's pointing out a grammatical error, but evidently your
    appreciation of English (to judge from your post) is too poor to notice.
    ;-)
     
    The Older Gentleman, Sep 7, 2003
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  9. Alasdair Baxter

    Ace Guest

    *nice*
     
    Ace, Sep 7, 2003
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  10. Have I missed something? Been whooshed?
     
    The Older Gentleman, Sep 7, 2003
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  11. Alasdair Baxter

    mb Guest


    I'm a *what*?
    I was asking a serious question, I thought I must have missed a post
    somewhere because you said:
    "If JP believes that a jury sits in the Bedford magistrates court, then
    your trust in his legal knowledge is badly misplaced."

    Now, I hadn't seen anywhere that JP had said this about Bedford
    magistrates court and I still can't, hence my question. You know, the one
    in which I asked if you could point me to that particular quote. On the
    other hand, I have seen a posting by JP where he quotes: "One person was
    discharged by a jury. Magistrates have no right in law to create a legal
    precedent hence it does not apply to anyone else".
    I can't see any words here which refer to Bedford magistrates court.

    Do you have dyslexia?
     
    mb, Sep 7, 2003
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  12. Alasdair Baxter

    nss Guest

    Uh oh! another digruntled Harley-owner......
     
    nss, Sep 7, 2003
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  13. Alasdair Baxter

    Ace Guest

    ITYMissplet 'trolled'.
     
    Ace, Sep 7, 2003
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  14. Alasdair Baxter

    nss Guest

    Hmnnn Jon Grunewald seems to be recommending the TFBD
    (Tin-foil-beanie-deflector) for all?:)

    Seemingly, contrary to your (legal) advice?;-/

    Unusual two have two solicitors disagree something eh?
     
    nss, Sep 7, 2003
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  15. <fx: Looks blank>
     
    The Older Gentleman, Sep 8, 2003
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  16. Alasdair Baxter

    Steve Guest

    Whilst it may be true that the magistrates hearing those specific cases ruled
    that way doesn't mean that they all will. Precedent is not set in magistrates
    courts. So, currently, it is not true except that in "more than one" (how many,
    btw?) case the magistrate has acquitted. If an identical case appeared before
    another magistrate, it is up to him/her which way to rule.
     
    Steve, Sep 8, 2003
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  17. Alasdair Baxter

    bigbrian Guest

    Yes, but in practice they'd be guided as to what another court has
    ruled. I still don't know of a case decided since the Peter Parker one
    where someone has contested the charge, cited the Bedford decision in
    defence, and been convicted anyway.

    Brian
     
    bigbrian, Sep 8, 2003
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  18. Alasdair Baxter

    Steve Guest

    Try riding through a pheasant
    Oh, you did. They're hard little fuckers, aren't they?

    Pigeons aren't as hard, but round my way, they're full of grain and explode on
    impact. Which is nice.
    But only if you like that sort of thing.
    Which I don't.
     
    Steve, Sep 8, 2003
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  19. Alasdair Baxter

    JP Guest

    Heh - I`m quite happy to be proved wrong! :)
     
    JP, Sep 8, 2003
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  20. Alasdair Baxter

    JP Guest

    What part of it? The law requires riders of a "motorbicycle" as
    defined under the protective helmet regs (rather than the motorcycle
    definition contained within the RTA88/91) to wear a protective helmet
     
    JP, Sep 8, 2003
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