The Hurricane is back with me...in PIECES!!!

ROTFL.. Seriously.. I thought you and ol'Ari had issues about the
biker being screwed by a dealer, or something.. <chuckle> Come
to find out, both you turds have just got some issues with Walkers'
and neither one of you have the balls to take care of those issues..
Ain't this a hoot ? I love it..

 

You must have fucking HUGE Walmarts down there in Texas!

 

You may now stop gesticulatin', Beej.

 

Who got 'screwed' by their dealer? Last I heard, if Brian had been able
to control his temper, he'd of had no problem what-so-ever. As it turns out,
all Brian has to do is apologise for his immaturity, and the whole mess will
go away. You think he can do that? I have my doubts, but I hope he proves me
wrong.

Vic

PS: I really don't know what 'issues' you're refering to. I was one of the
first to wish Brian a speedy resolution of the problem. But, now that I
think about it, I was also the first to suggest that perhaps his
temper/attitude might have stood in the way of a quick and reasonable
resolution of his problem. Seems I hit the nail squarely on the head.
There's no question that the dealer needs to insure that Brian gets his bike
back in the same condition as it was when he brought it in. From what I've
read here, the dealer was, and is, fully prepared to do that. There's also
no question that the dealer did not deserve the kind of abuse that he
received from Brian (Brian even admitted he called one of the dealer's
customers an SOB). Bill, you know your son better then I do, but from what I
know of him, I think he lost it. I think he let his mouth get in the way of
a quick and resonable settlement. Just my opinion, take it or leave it. If
this leaves you with the opinion I have 'issues' with the Walkers, then so
be it. When he posts in a public place, he's going to get responses. If
those responses bother you, then don't read them. It's funny that the only
responses you find as having 'issues' with the Walkers are the ones that
disagree with you, lol.

Vic

 

Yes, I *did* admit to calling that guy a "big son of a bitch". He
*was*.

He was also out there provoking Mike to do his performance with the
"come on mother fucker".

I've apologized about calling the guy a "son of a bitch". I *did* tell
him he was out there wanting to get involved in something that didn't
concern him, and when he does put himself in that place, he just might
get involved.

Mike has my number and I haven't heard from him. I didn't receive any
help loading the bike. I didn't receive an offer to make anything
right. I asked him to make that right and I even tried to give him the
panel to get repaired. I didn't have to give him the panel to be
"repaired" with super glue or JB Weld. I could've insisted on a brand
new panel be bought and nothing less. Anything else, I could've
insisted (as others have commented here and elsewhere that I've told
this to) that Mike pay me the value of the bike. I didn't do that.

Did I lose my temper? I sure did. I lost my temper when Mike and his
mechanic began their "I don't know anything about this" crap. Looking
at the bike, it was understandable.

Right now, the bike doesn't even look like the same bike as what I
picked up from Mike the other day. It's almost back to what I dropped
off at his shop a few months ago. I'll still need to do something
about the panel and change the tires. I haven't even brought up the
dried out tires. As I said, the tires were worn.....not worn out, just
worn. Now they have rot from sitting out in the weather with dirt
caked up on them.

Now, are you seriously suggesting that I was going to get a quick and
reasonable settlement from someone who jumps in this group
representing his dealership and calls others dipshits and liars? It's
just me, but perhaps Mike Thompson could start by calling me on my
phone (that he *claims* he's giving to others) and acting like he's a
business owner dealing with someone who has had a motorcycle damaged
while under his care. He's even telling people to look me up on
publicdata.com, as if he's been doing that. What is he, a 12 year old
or some stalker? Instead, he chooses to jump in this newsgroup and
start calling people dipshits and liars. Interesting, I'd say.

 

Not really. Most people know walkers are dipshits and liars, which
makes Mike's post really quire boring and redundant.

But I mostly stay out of tx.moto, unless billie is about to blow. In
which case, I'm like a tourist at Old Faithful - I just can't help
tossing pagan chants. Go billie, go! Except, I think they chanted
something else at Yellowstone. It was something like "The Battle Hymn
of the Republic", but, once again, all our Federal Prosecutors lost
their jobs.

G'bye, bill. G'bye, beewee.

 

All I can say, Brian, is that based on the conflicts that have occured
between you and I, and the way you have a tendency to get a bit loose and
free with the actual facts of the matter, I have my doubts things happened
exactlly as you say they did. Take your comment above about Mike calling
others 'dipshits and liars'. I have no question Mike said it, but you've
completely ignored what lead up to it. If you go back and check that out,
there's no doubt in my mind you would have responded the same way he did, or
posibly worse. I know I would have. What's even more interesting is that the
dipshit/liar comment had absolutely nothing to do with the settlement he
offered you on here. If you look at your responce to my post, your whole
lack of wanting to have anything to do with him now hinges on the fact he
calls people dipshits and liars, lol It's as if you're looking for a reason
to stay pissed. It it were me, I'd take him up on it. If I had maybe gone a
bit over the top, and you know whether you did or not, I'd apologise and get
on with having him fix that bike.

I'd say the facts of the matter are some where between your version and
Mikes version. The question is how long do you want to stay angry over
something he's already offered to take care of? My guess is you're going to
ignore his offer. You enjoy being pissed off too much, lol.

Vic

 

Vic,

You and I have had our disputes. That aside, if I represented my
business I certainly wouldn't be calling others "dipshits and liars"
in a public forum. Mike came in here representing his business. Plain
and simple.

As to "versions", Mike hasn't disputed the condition of my motorcycle.
He hasn't disputed his wife suggested I pick my motorcycle up on a
trailer. He hasn't disputed the bike wasn't running (dead battery). He
hasn't disputed the bike was dirty nasty. He hasn't disputed the side
panel is now broke. I haven't disputed I lost my temper. I haven't
disputed I called that one guy a "big son of a bitch". Which version
are you talking about that differs?

Now, as to this "offer" everyone keeps talking about, I'm still
looking for it. My phone hasn't rang. Mike apparently has my phone
number since he's already done these publicdata searches on me. He
really didn't have to do a publicdata search since he already had my
phone number, so what exactly is the information he's looking for on
me?

Regardless, my phone hasn't rang with all this "offer" to make all
this right. He didn't offer to help me load that motorcycle. He didn't
offer to clean this bike back up. He didn't offer to take this panel
and get it fixed. I took that side panel into his store twice to ask
him to fix it. I didn't insist on "replacement". I even took him
outside twice to work something out before it got to the point it has
and it's going.

Instead of Mike saying "if that bike leaves, I'm not doing shit", what
he should've been saying is "let me take that panel and get it fixed
and I'll get it back to you as quickly as I can". Had he done that, he
would have the panel instead of me having it. He also wouldn't be in
this newsgroup having to defend his dealership because I wouldn't have
been able to complain. Had I complained at that point everyone would
be saying "he's making it right, STFU"...instead of "had that been my
motorcycle, Mike would've been paying me for the cost of the bike".

Had Mike offered to clean this bike back up, I would've let him do
that. The best offer that he's come up with that I'll agree was an
"offer" was when his mechanic offered to "jump the bike off". Uh, no!
If this mechanic was worth a crap, he'd know how easy it is to tear up
a charging system by "jumping off" a bike. Had Mike paid better
attention to details, he wouldn't have allowed the battery to go
dead....on the day I just happen to get in town and drive by the shop
and stop in and consider picking up the motorcycle.

"Apologize"? I haven't heard any little bit of responsibility from
Mike for letting my motorcycle get into the condition he allowed it
to. What I ran into in Mike's shop and what I've read from him here,
he acts like the condition of my motorcycle that he allowed it to get
to is my fault. No, I won't apologize to him to make him do the right
thing. He'll do the right thing regardless.

As I said many times before, if Mike can't understand someone who gets
pissed off about their motorcycle getting into this condition, then
Mike needs to find some other business to get into. I'm not in the
motorcycle business, but when I have a customer get pissed because a
piece of equipment broke, I certainly don't act like Mike did and
start denying any knowledge of the product. If that *does* happen,
I'll still jump on an airplane and fly across the country to help them
get their services going again. I've had customers call me up on my
cell phone while I was in a restaurant on a Saturday night cussing me
out. I left the restaurant and went straight to the airport and flew
out to get to their site by the next morning and have the services up
and running by Monday. Here's Mike who had a pissed off customer about
their motorcycle being treated like this was and had to trailer their
bike out....and he didn't even offer to help load the bike.

 

G'bye Ari.. Take care of yourself and don't be peeing your pants
and dropping your motorcycle when you get hysterical.. LMAO..

All that "chanting" amounted to was.. "I saw it.. I saw the whole
thing" when you were face to face, wasn't it ? In the event that
you are outta here.. it's been fun, watching you make an ass out
of yourself.. again.. This makes about four or five times on use-
net .. LOL.. and, at least once in person.. Something like that, huh ?

 

I think you're trying to set up one of your little 'one pony parades'
again Brian. If you can't get past the liar/dipshit comment, and in what
context it was used, then whatever is to follow is only going to fall on
deft ears.

Exactlly!! He's been pretty up-front about the whole matter, from what I
can see. The only thing left to 'dispute', and you haven't addressed yet, it
whether you let your temper stand in the way of getting a reasonable
resolution to the problem. We're all familiar with the saying that the
customer is always right, but there is a limit to what can be said in front
of a dealer before all he's concerned with is getting that customer off his
property. I personally think you might have crossed the line. You and him
are the only ones that actually know what was said, and how it was said. I
don't know about him, but my assumption is that you would never let anyone
talk to you the way you talked to him.

Brian, I have no idea what public data is. It's my opinion that perhaps you
made such an 'impression' on him that he wanted see who he was dealing with?
Who knows, and really, who cares. What could possibly be in there that would
make it a deal breaker when taking him up on his offer?

And you don't feel that your 'conversation' with him had anything to do
with his not wanting to help? I mean think about it Brian, let me call you
an idiot and run down your dealership, call your customers a SOB, and then
get upset because you wouldn't help me load my bike on the trailer. I think
the guy, at that point, just wanted you out of there, I don't blame him.

How much did you pay this guy to 'take care of your bike'. From the sounds
of things it must have been quite a bit. The bike I bought on consingment
had a dead battery, I think some one else mentioned they had the same thing
happen to them. It was also dusty. The broken clip is another story. If he
in fact broke it, then he should fix it. But, from what I've read of his
post, he's already offered to do that, so why not take him up on it. If he
doesn't fix it to your satisfaction, then you can get yourself all in a twit
and you'd have every right.

You said it yourself Brian, he's not disputeing the condition of the bike.
The only 'dispute' left to resolve is whether you crossed the line when you
uncorked on him. Knowing how you've responded to some of the folks on here
from time to time, I'd have to side with the Dealer on this one

I'm sure Mike has dealt with quite a few pissed off people, and been able to
come to some kind of agreement. I think the dispute here has more to do with
what you think is exceptable to say when your pissed off, and what he thinks
he should have to put up with. I don't know what his tolerance level is, but
I do know how obnoxious you can get when you're trying to make a point. If
you responded to him like you have on here several times, I'd say you owe
the guy an apology.

And I suppose that customers have never said they were sorry for being so
rude? Never acknoledged the fact that perhaps they over-reracted when they
were on the phone? We all fly off the handle once in a while. Most of us
recognize when it's happened, and try and make amends. I've NEVER seen such
a response from you Brian. It's like I said before, you seem to enjoy going
through life being pissed off.

Vic

 

Not at all.. Mike Thompson is playing usenet and minimize the liability ..

The only thing left to 'dispute', and you haven't addressed yet, it

The only offer of "reasonable resolution" on usenet and in the minds of
a couple of usenet clowns that haven't got a quarter invested .. The bottom
line is.. the man whose property was neglected and damaged hasn't heard
directly from the one who did the neglect and damage.

We're all familiar with the saying that the

LMAO.. That "personal opinion" coming all the way from Michigan and from
someone who has never laid eyes on any of the players, isn't worth spit..

You and him

There's gotta be an "offer" on the table before it can be considered.. So
far,
there's only been a lot of noise by the dealer who fucked up someone's bike
and two morons who don't know squat about the issues or the players..

YOU think about it.. sparky.. Mike Thompson is another shoddy dealer
that finally fucked up the wrong guys motorcycle.. I think I know who that
big son of a bitch is that Brian spoke up to.. He's a tub of guts about like
Ari Rankum.. that does a lot of mouth and posturing and when he gets
called on it.. big and all, he squeals like a pig under a gate.. just like
ol'Ari..
Huh ?

Doesn't matter how much money was involved.. it was a contract..
Renegade Motorcycles fucked up the man's motorcycle and one
way or another will pay to make it right.. Mike Thompson full well
knows that, your opinions and usenet bullshit won't affect the outcome
one way or the other..

From the sounds

All Mike Thompson has done, so far.. is to make some usenet "offers"..
He's supposedly a neighborhood dealer with a customer base that lives
in the area.. Better Business Bureau has a good number of complaints
about that business and this one isn't helping Mike's reputation.. lol.. And
that is in spite of yours and your hysterical, motorcycle dropping friends
dedicated usenet support.. hmmm.. Public database.. y'know..

LOL.. Who gives a **** who you side with, you silly usenet turd ?

As it is turning out.. Mike Thompson has dealt with a goodly number of
"pissed
off people".. LOL.. More than one of the agreements were that if Mike
Thompson
was not careful, he'd wind up in Lake Ray Hubbard.. That's the guy that you
and
ol'Hysterical Ari are defending and supporting all over the place.. LMAO

I think the dispute here has more to do with

LOL.. Again.. that's not your call, is it ? Apology my ass.. if that
asshole had
allowed my motorcycle to get fucked up like that, while he had it.. he'd
need
an emergency room a lot more than an apology..

ROTFL.. whew.. You are just chock full of shit, aren't you Sparky ?

 

Mike at Renegade just made Brian a most generous offer, let's see if the
little guy is bright enough to take it, ok? I almost think he'll find some
reason to turn it down. Even though the offer to purchase the bike at the
agreed asking price, all but wipes out any complaint (legal, or otherwise)
Brian might have. What would be a good offer for most of us will probably
have Brian complaining about something, he just can't help himself, lol.

In any case this matter appears to be resolved. Any further bad mouthing by
your son is bound to fall on deaft ears (well except for yours, lol). Only a
fool would turn down such an offer, let's wait and see what happens, ok?

Vic

 

What "offer" do you keep going on and on about? I keep asking and you
can't seem to say.

I gave Mike the side panel on no less than 2 times while I was there.
Both times he slung the panel back at me. I didn't insist on anything
other than to have it made right.

Now, we can keep going on and on about it and you can keep defending
Mike Thompson. The bottom line is that I've only asked Mike to make
this right. He doesn't seem to be able to do that. "Apology"? Nah, I
haven't heard or read anything from Mike Thompson to take even the
slightest responsibility for what he did to my motorcycle. He's just
lucky he did this to my Hurricane. Had it been my Shadow, or even the
Blackbird, his ass would've been kicked all over Mesquite and he
couldn't have had the police there quick enough to help him. I've
NEVER bought a used motorcycle that didn't run and had to be worked on
to check the condition. I've NEVER even consided it. Mike was asking
top dollar for this motorcycle, by his own choosing and setting the
price. I didn't dictate the price, he did. When someone is asking a
premium top dollar price for a vehicle, they should at least take care
of that vehicle. He didn't do that, and he hasn't disputed it.

Again, he's just lucky he did this to the Hurricane. I take quite a
bit of pride in my vehicles. I believe it's legal in 42 states to kick
someone's ass for doing that to a Blackbird.....and as I recall Texas
is one of them.

 

Why is that "offer" "most generous".. ? Where's the beef.. in other words..
not a damned dime has changed hands.. Bottom line is.. Mike Thompson
has the reputation of being a party to fucking up more peoples motorcycle
than any dealer in the metroplex.. He finally fucked up the wrong
motorcycle..
He's made a two bogus offers to make it right, but that broken panel is
still
not fixed.. the motorcycle is being cleaned up and repaired by someone
else, there has been no check changed hands to pay for the motorcycle and
everything is just the way it was when the man hauled the bike away from
Renegade Motorcycles..

S'cuse me while I take another LMAO break.. the idea of your legal opinion
is just too damned funny .. Reminds me of the legal expertise of your
hysterical, motorcycle dropping buddy, when he promised that I'd be led
away in handcuffs and in the back seat of a squad car.. ROTFLMAO..

Whew.. another laugh break is in order, here.. The matter (case, as you call
it)
isn't resolved until the motorcycle is paid for.. Usenet lip service and a
sleazy
dealer and a couple of "up north idiots" slinging snot and insults is all
anyone
has seen, so far..

 

It's nice to see that at least one other person has noticed that a
customer of Mike's is being accused of "screwing" him, yet that person
is doing all the investing work to fix what Renegade screwed up.

Interesting, I'd say.

 

Your argument would have much more merit if you were posting that you and
Brian just returned from the dealership, and Mike had refused to pay the
agreed upon amount on the consignment contract. As it stands now, all you
and Brian seem to be doing is trying to trash the guy. He made the offer to
buy the bike for a number Brian agreed to, all you need to do is take him up
on it. I can only think of one reason you're not, you know the dealer will
make good on his offer. Prove me wrong, and I'll apologize for all my
spouting off. Oh, and if I'm right, you don't have to apologize to anyone,
lol. Take me up on it, Bill, or are you too scared I'm right?

Vic

 

tomorrow is dumbfounded and asks this question: Bjay-----You must have
fucking HUGE Walmarts down there in Texas!




(a one word answer is all that's necesaary)
Tim; yep.

B. Jay Kana--
NETexas
02 Valkyrie Cruiser--
( happy trails to you all)