That was a bit different..

Discussion in 'UK Motorcycles' started by Andy Bonwick, Nov 2, 2008.

  1. Andy Bonwick

    Andy Bonwick Guest

    I've finally got the outfit in just about good enough order to road
    test it so I couldn't resist.

    The first time out it was pissing with rain and the thing was an
    absolute **** to ride. I toughed it out for a run around the block
    (about 2 miles), came home, smashed the gate and fence and parked up.
    My natural skills in sorting out handling instantly identified that
    10psi wasn't really enough in the chair tyre.

    Once I'd inflated the tyre to a more sensible 28psi it was out for
    another go on my favourite test road - the B660 from Bedford to
    Kimbolton. Loads of bumps, a good variety of bends and a couple of
    half decent straights usually sort things out a bit.

    The good news is that it goes in a straight line and I can turn it off
    the throttle so the geometry is about right. The leading link forks
    make it all a bit bouncy at the front end but I'm sure I'll get used
    to them and if not then I'll change back to the standard BMW forks.

    Right handers are easy because though the steering's a bit heavy you
    can power it through and just about keep on the right side of the
    road. Left handers are a bit of a different matter because the chair
    keeps lifting its wheel off the road and it all gets a bit difficult
    once that happens. Slowing down appeared to help but was a bit boring.

    70mph is easy with no effort needed to keep it in a straight line so
    ripping up the autobahns will be ok, 100mph or over will probably need
    dual carriageway because gusts of wind make it hard to keep in one
    lane. I took it up to an indicated 80mph without shitting myself so
    the rest is just down to practice and better conditions.

    Now all I need to do is get the front brakes to work again (I've
    changed the hoses and can't get them right yet), check the mounts are
    all tight and then tidy up the electrics.

    Will I keep it after the next Elefantentreffen? I'm not sure yet. I've
    got other plans for seeing how far I can persuade idiots to go before
    they cry off but this might not be easy.
     
    Andy Bonwick, Nov 2, 2008
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  2. With somebody in it?
     
    Mungo \Two Sheds\ Toadfoot, Nov 2, 2008
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  3. Andy Bonwick

    Andy Bonwick Guest

    Bwahaha.

    Who the **** would be stupid enough to do that when I've never ridden
    an outfit before?
     
    Andy Bonwick, Nov 2, 2008
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  4. This doesn't bode well for a 1000-mile trip in midwinter.

    Still, well done.
     
    The Older Gentleman, Nov 2, 2008
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  5. Dodger.
     
    The Older Gentleman, Nov 2, 2008
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  6. Andy Bonwick

    Pete Fisher Guest

    What are you running in the front tyre? Any wobblyness around 30?
    Get used to it. Can you adjust the bounciness by pre-load or a spring
    change?
    Sack of bricks required.
    Steering damper? Old VW beetle ones are the best apparently.

    The old Mille GT and Squire was happy well in to the autobahn zone, but
    that had been set up by Squire themselves.


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    Pete Fisher, Nov 2, 2008
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  7. I was trying to imagine who would, but mostly I was trying to imagine their
    face as the wheel lifted off.
     
    Mungo \Two Sheds\ Toadfoot, Nov 2, 2008
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  8. There you go, Andy.

    I bet he really would too.
     
    Mungo \Two Sheds\ Toadfoot, Nov 2, 2008
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  9. Andy Bonwick

    Adie Guest

    we discussed bribery. neither of would give in when it came down to
    whether the ride or the bribery happened first.
     
    Adie, Nov 2, 2008
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  10. Nah - one of those big camping waterbags. When you need to jettison
    ballast (say when taking a passenger) you just pour out the water and
    fold up the bag. Refill as necessary.
     
    The Older Gentleman, Nov 2, 2008
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  11. Andy Bonwick

    crn Guest

    Sandbag in the chair - YKIMS.
     
    crn, Nov 2, 2008
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  12. Andy Bonwick

    Andy Bonwick Guest

    The front's as it was when the wheel was in the standard forks so ****
    knows what the psi is. I only check pressures when they tyre's flat or
    when I change a tyre.

    It doesn't wobble or weave at any speed unless I hit a bump so I
    probably need to just crank up a few more miles on the bike and see
    what I think after that.
    There's no adjustment but the shocks are old ones and the bike they
    came off was written off in a front end smash that broke the wheel.
    The forks are almost certainly a bit bent because when I'm going in
    straight line the bars are pointing slightly left but I've ridden
    enough bikes with twisted forks not to really care about that.
    Yeah, or a sack of cement.
    I've just fitted a brand new Boge damper that makes the front
    difficult to turn when I put a trolley jack under the subframe and
    lift the front up.
    I needed the challenge of doing it myself. Actually I didn't see the
    point in humiliating myself by taking it to someone and asking them to
    polish a turd.
     
    Andy Bonwick, Nov 2, 2008
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  13. Andy Bonwick

    Andy Bonwick Guest

    There'll be additional weight in it when I take it to Germany but I
    reckon the waterbag is a good idea. It feels as if I'll need several
    bags but cases of beer will do the job just as well.

    I'll probably get a few chunks of steel from work this weeks and use a
    few of them to ballast it initially just to see what happens.

    It's going to be a bit of a steep learning curve but I'll sort the
    fucker.
     
    Andy Bonwick, Nov 2, 2008
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  14. Andy Bonwick

    Pete Fisher Guest

    Excellent. The Mille outfit was very sensitive to front tyre pressure
    (18 inch Avon SM). Too high and it would weave like a bastard. About 25
    psi seemed about right. Just a tiny wobble hands off at 30 but the plus
    side was really light steering at higher speeds.
    I still have a pair of Konis knocking about if they are any use if the
    length is right. Doubt if the springs on them would be strong enough
    though.
    Sounds about right. The crude Sebac ones that Mille GTs came with didn't
    last long, but if screwed up tight gave a bit of useful damping.
    All good experience. We set up our old AJS/Watsonian trails oufit
    ourselves, and I also bolted the Monza on to my 31 CSR myself, but the
    speeds obtainable were somewhat more modest.

    The CSR/Monza was pretty horrible with standard 'Teledraulics'. Well
    worth persevering with the leading links I reckon.

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    Pete Fisher, Nov 2, 2008
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  15. Ihave this vision of it turning into a giant block of ice.
     
    The Older Gentleman, Nov 2, 2008
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  16. Andy Bonwick

    Lozzo Guest

    Put some salt in there too
     
    Lozzo, Nov 2, 2008
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    sweller Guest

    They don't last long on a solo Guzzi.
     
    sweller, Nov 2, 2008
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  18. Andy Bonwick

    sweller Guest

    I had a couple of heavy breeze blocks provide by platy.
     
    sweller, Nov 2, 2008
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  19. Andy Bonwick

    sweller Guest

    My daughter has shown no inclination to go on a motorbike, own a
    motorbike or have anything to do with my motorbiking tendencies.

    Even when it was "so important" for her to be somewhere - "the car is
    dead - I can take you [to the party you must go to because the wonderful
    xxx is there] on the bike"

    "It's alright, there's a bus"

    She's shown no inclination for a bike - now she's getting on for 18 her
    own vehicle just isn't on the radar.

    There was the incident when I had a bright orange BSA and I saw her (age
    9 or so) with her Mum walking down the road so I honked the horn and
    waved - "Don't look at him Mummy". It may have scarred her.
     
    sweller, Nov 2, 2008
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  20. Andy Bonwick

    Andy Bonwick Guest

    I think Jennifer was scarred by going on the back of my old 9R to a
    Platyfest and me nearly losing her off the back at well over 100mph on
    the M4.

    She's said she wants to go in the chair but seems reluctant to let me
    take Sophia for a spin in it. I don't see the problem because my
    parents were carting me around in an outfit until I was about 3 years
    old and it didn't have a lasting effect on me.
     
    Andy Bonwick, Nov 2, 2008
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