in message id [URL]http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=kurosvca4armbjerqss6jp9shll390t8pe%404ax.com[/URL] is out of the frame ! Remembering that there is one fuck off long bolt that goes through both sides of the aluminium frame, and holds the crankcases together - steel against ally. It "only" took 7 months of coaxing with penetrating oil, the odd tap(1) greater and greater amounts of torque, reverse torque and finally just coaxing to get it out. And when my mate ( who owns the bloody thing, AND has purchased a used NTV engine - hallelujah ! Gets it delivererd) I will slot the new one in. 1. I never resorted to violence, in fact. Wish me luck.