Texas Motorcycle helmet law

Discussion in 'Texas Bikers' started by Dixon Ranch, Jan 2, 2005.

  1. most of what i've seen is the anti-tax platform in their promotional
    material and the "any potential income tax" is the biggest dragon they
    want to slay. pretty popular position around here.
     
    another viewer, Jan 4, 2005
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  2. Dixon Ranch

    Bill Walker Guest

    That's it.. no more "free pass" Albert...That same group also should be
    selective in soliciting membership. An advocacy group such as TMRA II .. Of
    course .. there is always a shortage of money.. There is a shortage of
    effective and willing leadership, as well.. There is the more critical short
    comings of TMRA II.. The organization desperately needs younger and
    energetic leaders who have the courage and integrity to confront and
    challenge the status quo of government..

    There seems to be a few who measure up.. The personal sacrifice and
    dedication seems to be qualities sadly lacking in many of the younger ones
    who otherwise would be well suited..

    Dislike for Bill Walker is a cop out that indicates a weakness that would
    eliminate, certainly not enhance .. Noticeably . All the "flaming" dislike
    for Bill Walker, distinctively comes from mostly anonymous participants in a
    newsgroup, who have never laid eyes on the man.. Interestingly... ones
    who've ridden with him, worked with him, socialized and associated with him,
    speak well of the man.. hmmm Quite a contradiction, wouldn't you say.??
    Another very interesting observation.. I've repeatedly made clear that I do
    not represent TMRA II on this or any other "public forum"..If you are
    suggesting that TMRA II should put a muzzle on me, forbid me from talking
    about TMRA II, then I'd suggest that you have your head examined.. That is
    an outrageous suggestion..

    Little as you may think about it.. That is exactly the reason that I've
    never assumed a leadership role in the organization, and have expressed so,
    when asked.. That is also one of the reasons why leadership of TMRA II are
    not engaged on usenet newsgroups.. With exception of Elmer McKeeghan, who
    rarely engages with anyone in this group, all others who've been involved
    (with my encouragement) have left in disgust .. Childish insults and the
    foolish opinions of a few who participate in this group have turned them off
    ... Pride and dignity compels them to associate with people of higher
    standards than some they've witnessed on tx.motorcycle newsgroup..
    Yessir.. it is arrogant. The people he describes are certainly not ones
    you'd be willing to "take your back" .. when things get tough.. They'd much
    prefer to let someone else take the heat while they enjoy the fuits of the
    effort..

    Going just a bit furthur.. If I were in leadership of TMRA II.. I'd initiate
    a screening process for membership.. Members who don't measure up to certain
    standards of decency and integrity, would be expelled and applicants
    thoroughly screened before being accepted.. That being said, I'll repeat.. I
    am not a representative for TMRA II, nor a part of the leadership.. I do
    support most of their issues and the organization..

    Bill Walker
    Irving, Tx.
     
    Bill Walker, Jan 4, 2005
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  3. Dixon Ranch

    Bill Walker Guest

    SOMEONE keeps bringing it to the floor of the House.. don't they ? The
    secret votes of our House of Representatives is also being challenged in
    this upcoming session.. Have you asked your State Representative or State
    Senator the question ? Texas is a vast state and "around these parts" covers
    a lot of territory.. Legislative issues like state income tax can easily
    become law and does.. just because the constituents are not aware that their
    very own legislators supported and voted for them.. Another very good and
    valid reason for each of us to support an organization like TMRA II..

    Your never even considered that such an issue would be aired in our
    legislative body, this session.. Thanks to men like Elmer McKeeghan, now you
    know.. Gotta get past the helmet issue hangup, Albert.. It takes a lot of
    giblets to make a good pan of gravy..

    Consider this post as a small part of your "free pass".. LMAO...

    Bill Walker
    Irving, Tx.
     
    Bill Walker, Jan 4, 2005
    #23
  4. Like I said be4, don't bother me. I got a new tuff DOT helmet from Ms
    Santa, and found another one to day at Askins Victory Motorcycles,
    painted with a great USA Flag on it. From a few feet away, it actually
    appears to be ''wavy''. I don't like wearing the same helmet each mount
    up, &the same with my Boots! (just me.) I guess this ''rigMaroll'' is
    all about folks that dont like to wear em'? ummmmuh.

    ‹›‘Have a Good'un’›››BJAY›››
     
    ßjay jøhñ§øñ, Jan 4, 2005
    #24
  5. Dixon Ranch

    Bill Walker Guest

    Like I said be4, don't bother me. I got a new tuff DOT helmet from Ms
    Santa, and found another one to day at Askins Victory Motorcycles,
    painted with a great USA Flag on it. From a few feet away, it actually
    appears to be ''wavy''. I don't like wearing the same helmet each mount
    up, &the same with my Boots! (just me.) I guess this ''rigMaroll'' is
    all about folks that dont like to wear em'? ummmmuh.

    <>'Have a Good'un'>>>BJAY>>>

    Nope.. the rigamarole is all about the government TELLING you that you have
    to wear the damned thing.. The big ruckus is all about your freedom of
    choice .. All the noise is about someone dictating what you should decide
    for yourself.. If you fail to comply, they can take your money away from
    you..

    The next thing is, the government is telling you that you don't have enough
    intelligence to protect yourself .. Hey.. Bjay.. you are too simple minded
    to know when you should put on a helmet.. we need to protect you from
    yourself, since you are too stupid to do it.. Now .. isn't that a concept to
    entertain.. Sorry bud.. I've been riding a motorcycle for more than twenty
    years. with and without helmets.. When I wipe out, that helmet isn't going
    to make the difference.. It's over.. Till then, just allow me to choose
    whether I wear the thing, or not.. OK.??

    Your friend in Irving
    Bill Walker
     
    Bill Walker, Jan 4, 2005
    #25
  6. Dixon Ranch

    Bownse Guest

    X-No-archive: yes

    Actually I verified that my candidate was for reducing ALL taxes,
    cutting 90% of all federal spending, and privatizing most functions
    that local, state and federal governments have usurped in violation of
    US The Constitution.
     
    Bownse, Jan 5, 2005
    #26
  7. Dixon Ranch

    Bill Walker Guest

    Actually.. I doubt that you even know who your elected representative is..
    How'd you verify all that information, Mark ? I think you just let your
    alligator mouth overload your hummingbird ass.. again.. huh ? I can still
    take you on a little tour of Waco, if you like.. Since you've found out what
    is in Waco, wouldn't you enjoy that little visit ? huh .. sport ?
     
    Bill Walker, Jan 5, 2005
    #27
  8. The organization has been around for over a decade now. Complaining about
    Bill now is just an excuse or did the guy have a valid reason not to join
    the previous 10 years?

    If you don't like Bill, then how about joining ABATE, that's been around
    longer. Again one excuse is good as another. All these meetings are open to
    the public and are posted that way. Anyone can visit to see what is going on
    and gee the DFW area has 2 TMRA2 chapters and 2 ABATE chapters that don't
    meet on the same days.

    You will always meet those you don't get along with just like you'll meet
    those who enjoy being around. If you don't go somewhere because you're
    afraid that possibly you'll meet someone you don't like then you'll never go
    anywhere.

    No, just reality.
    What do you call people who get benefits (financial or otherwise) without
    paying for them in any manner?
     
    Elmer McKeegan, Jan 5, 2005
    #28
  9. Dixon Ranch

    Bill Walker Guest

    You just might.. In light of your participation on this newsgroup for a few
    short days.. I be doubtful.. FYI.. I'm real selective about friends.. too
    many to count.. Not much patience with trash.. Best to find out who and
    what the players are, before you start taking sides. Like I said.. you
    haven't been solicited for membership or support for anything, by me.. Get
    over it .. rookie.. Wait till you are invited..

    Bill Walker
    Irving, Tx.
     
    Bill Walker, Jan 5, 2005
    #29
  10. http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/tlo/79R/billtext/HJ00015I.HTM

    There's a link to the HJR 15 proposing a constitutional amendment that
    provides for the approval
    of an income tax adopted by the legislature. (filed Nov 8th).

    Here's a link to the 78th legislative session that laid the ground work for
    state income tax...
    http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/cgi-...&BILLTYPE=B&BILLSUFFIX=02570&VERSION=1&TYPE=B


    Yes I honestly believe a legislative candidate in Texas would support a
    state income tax. If you would have watched or at least checked out the 78th
    Legislature (school finance) you would have seen candidates putting in the
    bills to start the income tax process.

    All candidates run with the don't ask, don't tell attitude. You don't ask,
    they don't tell. You have to get face time with these people if you want any
    answers. Will they lie, some will, some won't, and others really don't have
    an answer and probably would ask if you would support an income tax.
     
    Elmer McKeegan, Jan 5, 2005
    #30
  11. Charles, his candidate didn't win.
    Cutting 90% of all federal spending is not supported by either the repubs or
    dems and no others won seats in Texas.....
     
    Elmer McKeegan, Jan 5, 2005
    #31
  12. Dixon Ranch

    Bownse Guest

    X-No-archive: yes

    Not yet, but I will when he gets elected. I have followed his business
    career somewhat. Simply that he knows how to run a business is more
    than can be said about most politicians. Cutting spending to meet
    income limits is a first step to a successful business.
     
    Bownse, Jan 5, 2005
    #32
  13. Dixon Ranch

    Bownse Guest

    X-No-archive: yes

    Which is the number one problem with politics and the status quo. the
    2 faces of a single party.
     
    Bownse, Jan 5, 2005
    #33
  14. and therein lies the problem: what services to provide given what
    budget.

    with the ability to tax for revenue, customer satisfaction does not
    necessarily have to be a high priority for the services rendered.
     
    another viewer, Jan 5, 2005
    #34
  15. Dixon Ranch

    Bownse Guest

    X-No-archive: yes

    Well, you got it half right.
     
    Bownse, Jan 5, 2005
    #35
  16. Which is fine, but if thats his feelings, then why add the comment about
    Bill?

    True we all pay taxes and we receive the benefits of them, like roads.
    However our hov lanes were closed to motocycles. Without the efforts of
    organizations like TMRA2 and ABATE you would not have access to these lanes.
    You also wouldn't have motorcycle access to hospital parking either.
    Also we help stop no fault insurance in Texas, mainly because it was to
    exclude motorcycles. When the measure was tried in California the insurance
    companies said the motorcycle insurance costs would go up by 500%. Here in
    Texas the insurance companies wouldn't even give an estimate. Go ahead and
    look at your cost for motorcycle insurance, now multiply by 5. Here is a
    geniune savings (benefit) that TMRA2, ABATE, and others gave you.

    Sorry, maybe you do nothing and are part of your statement, but I get
    involved. I wasn't involved much before TMRA 2, but I've since upgraded from
    side lines to activist.

    Too simplistic, we also get involved in protecting rights thru out the
    state. We do more than just show up and try to convince our legislators what
    we believe to be important.
    Again your assumptions about our group rather than actually checking your
    facts.
    Depends on your view of lobbyists. If you consider yourself a lobbist
    because you write a letter to your legislators, then we would be lobbyist.
    If you don't consider yourself a lobbyist for writing a letter then neither
    are we.
    We are a grass roots organization that has made a difference in Texas
    politics.
    Actually we are warriors. Check the dictionary for warrior. You'll find that
    it easily applys to us.
    Yes and no. Some could actually care less about what happens to them. If
    they don't care one way or another about the issues like insurance, helmets,
    or being able to ride down the road in 10 years, then yes they are just
    riders.
    However if you feel these issues are important and all you do is sit on the
    sidelines and reap benefits or whine, then your a welfare rider.
    The work does stand on its own and typically I don't use such terms, but I
    get tired of TMRA 2 being dragged down because someone hasn't bother to get
    involved and uses whatever excuse to avoid it. You've made such statements
    before about TMRA 2 and you haven't bothered to check anything out about the
    organization either, look at your earlier statements.
    I've heard all the excuses for why people aren't involved and I get tired of
    them. If you don't want to be involved or don't care then be somebody and
    say so, don't be a coward and use whatever excuse comes to mind today.
    Not to say all excuses are bs, some are valid and we've always let be know
    that people can be involved in various ways. I've had a few people who've
    been unable to join. However they've done what they can to help out.

    So like you said lets call a spade a spade.
    This thread was started because Biff wasn't going to join TMRA 2 because
    Bill upset them. Bill is just a member of TMRA 2 in the and he is in DFW
    area. If being around Bill is so upsetting then why are these people coming
    to tx.motorcycles. Bill is here and he upsets some people, yet these people
    show up. So what's the excuse now, it can't be because Bill is around,
    otherwise they wouldn't be here in tx.motorcycles. NEXT EXCUSE

    If you don't like being called a welfare rider and you qualify, tough.
    Sounds arrogant, no! PO'd, you bet. Got a problem with the attitude take it
    to the state chair and let them know about my comments. We do have rules and
    procedures for those that cause problems in or about the organization. Feel
    free to call 512-971-6777. My name is listed below.
     
    Elmer McKeegan, Jan 5, 2005
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  17. Don't know at this point, we'll have to wait and see during the session.
    More than likely the media will report it if it starts to go anywhere. If a
    valid school finance bill doesn't come forth then the media will protray
    this as the only alternative and work it that way. The only other choice is
    to let the federal government come in and mandate whatever changes they
    deem.
    There are many groups out there that support a state income tax. Be silent
    and see what happens.
    That's why you go to town hall meetings and candidate forums. Places where
    you could possibly ask the question and get it on record. Typically the
    media does attend these events.
     
    Elmer McKeegan, Jan 5, 2005
    #37
  18. Dixon Ranch

    Bill Walker Guest

    Holy Sheeyit... If patience is a virtue, you gotta be the most virtuous man
    that I know, Elmer.. LMAO...

    Ah well.. can't blame anyone but myself.. I'm the one that gave Albert a
    "free pass".. dammit..

    Regards.. Elmer.. keep safe..

    Your friend in Irving
    Bill Walker
     
    Bill Walker, Jan 5, 2005
    #38
  19. Dixon Ranch

    Bill Walker Guest

    Patience isn't one of my virtues..TMRA II and ABATE pick their battles very
    carefully.. I've been impatient with both on occasion because they don't
    address some of the issues that I hold strongly about.. After the discussion
    and I regain my patient composure, they have both addressed my concerns at
    the proper time.. I'm learning also..
    That's all that can be expected from anyone.. You aren't biting the hand
    that feeds you.. Everyone cannot be everywhere and doing everything.. Some
    ... just aren't geared to political activism.. We all have our niche that we
    are best suited for..

    The ones who complain about organizations like TMRA II and ABATE, then mount
    their motorcycles to go ride for the weekend, are the "Welfare Riders" among
    us.. Those are the ones who cause me to grind my teeth.. They claim
    "independence" while they enjoy their "ride".. The truth is, they are only
    "independent" as long as organizations like TMRA II and ABATE have the
    dedicated warriors to fight for their "independence". Restrictions and
    limitations that can be imposed by our government would be very oppressive
    without the work of TMRA II and ABATE..

    Only an idiot would protest and object to the advocates who are fighting to
    protect the very things they proclaim.. Don't make much sense to me, and I
    have zero tolerance for "welfare bikers".. Sheesh.. and I'm tame .
    compared to Sputnik, Mike Alvey, Dean Maltzenburger, Del Essary and a few
    others..

    Regards Morgan.. thanks for showing up.. Your sincere "thank you" is
    appreciated..

    Bill Walker
    Irving, Tx.
     
    Bill Walker, Jan 5, 2005
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  20. Dixon Ranch

    Brian Walker Guest

    IOW, "someone saw through my line of bullshit and now I don't know what to
    say".
     
    Brian Walker, Jan 5, 2005
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