Test Compression Cold, NOT hot!

Discussion in 'Motorbike Technical Discussion' started by Nomen Nescio, Oct 2, 2005.

  1. Nomen Nescio

    Nomen Nescio Guest

    Low compression is a prime cause of hard starting. After the bike has been
    sitting overnight, you are relying on cold compression to start. Once
    started, oil is splashed up on the cylinder walls and helps bring up low
    cold compression due to poor conditions of the bore, rings and piston which
    cause excess blow-by of compression pressure.

    Experience shows that an engine in good condition can develop, say, 120 psi
    cranking compression when cold. A bad cylinder may read only 60 psi, yet
    with injection of oil in the cylinder, come up to 125 or higher. When warm
    the same cylinder which tested 60 psi may come up to 95 psi. All this
    means is a worn engine may start and operate okay when warm, yet fail
    compression when cold and be a mysteriously hard starter.

    The above does not take into consideration leaking valves. Generally, if
    low compression does not come up when oil is introduced into the cylinder
    for a retest, either valves are leaking or a cylinder head gasket is blown.
    For differential diagnosis of these faults, you can use a "poor man's
    leakdown tester" as follows: Take an old spark plug and gut it of its
    porcelein insulator. Then, braze-weld a quick-disconnect air hose fitting
    to the plug. Remove the plugs from the engine and crank the engine until
    the cylinder to be tested is at TDC on its compression stroke. Screw in
    the tester, attach an air hose and subject the cylinder to 60 psi. If the
    engine turns, its not on TDC. Try again and with the bike in gear, apply
    the rear brake. With air pressure in the cylinder, listen for escaping air
    at the carburetor (intake valve leakage), exhaust pipe (exhaust valve
    leakage) and for good measure, at the crankcase breather (piston leakage).

    Remember, test a cold engine for meaningful evaluation, contrary to popular
    belief and even text-book recommendations.
     
    Nomen Nescio, Oct 2, 2005
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  2. Nomen Nescio wrote:

    His own unique theory of compression testing. Go away, Nomen Nescio!
     
    krusty kritter, Oct 2, 2005
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  3. Nomen Nescio

    Bummers Guest

    So what's the better theory?
     
    Bummers, Oct 2, 2005
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  4. Nomen Nescio is a troll.

    Avoid giving credence to net kooks that use anonymous remailer
    services.
    Nomen Nescio is the nickname used by about 99.9% of every user of one
    particular remailer service, so you have no way of determining the
    credibility of any given Nomen Nescio, even there is only one of them
    infesting a particular group, because you still cannot tell what kind
    of crap he is spreading in the tinfoil hat and pervert newsgroups.

    This particular Nomen Nescio invades motorcycle news groups, trying to
    establish himself as knowledgeable about motorcycle technology. Then he
    begins to try to turn the motorcycle help forums into debating
    societies with wacko theories about testing compression with the engine
    cold instead of hot.

    Follow the repair manual recommendations, check the compression when
    the engine is warm and and operating clearances have been established.
     
    krusty kritter, Oct 2, 2005
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  5. I have never seen an engine that passed the compression test hot that
    didn't start when it was cold. Not from lack of compression. Not once.
    Seen plenty of engines not start when it was -30F, but that is not what I
    am referring to. I have worked on more engines and more diverse types than
    many people even know exist.

    pierce
     
    R. Pierce Butler, Oct 2, 2005
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    monk Guest

    monk, Oct 2, 2005
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  7. Old Model A Ford engines probably only had about 4.5 or 5:1
    compression, because of the low octane gas they had to burn, and they
    still started with about 60 or 70 pounds of cranking compression, so No
    Brains Nescio is just talking out his ass about whether an engine will
    have enough compression to start when cold.

    Higher compression ratios increase the air standard efficiency of an
    engine.
    If an engine has a compression ratio of 5:1 and an ASE of 47.5%, it
    will have and ASE of 62.5% if you double the compression ratio. So
    that's the reason for higher compression ratios in performance engines,
    it isn't to make them easier to kick start.
     
    krusty kritter, Oct 2, 2005
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  8. There was an old Gravely garden tractor that I worked on and it had 50-60
    lbs of compression. Started and ran fine. I didn't think it was possible.
    It did have a Wico magneto for ignition. That must have provided enough or
    a spark to get it going. We had a Ford 351 v8 that had jumped time due to
    the timing chain jumping a tooth. I adjusted the ignition timing and it
    started ok. The boss refused to believe me that the timing chain/sprockets
    were bad. He shipped it out. It had about 75 PSI compression. The next
    time it happened, which was a few days later, I tried to adjust the timing
    again and couldn't start it. The compression had dropped to about 50 psi.
    After replacing the timing chain and sprockets, compression was back to
    normal and all was OK.

    pierce
     
    R. Pierce Butler, Oct 2, 2005
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