[QUOTE] Champ scribbled: [QUOTE] [QUOTE] I saw Loz spin the 9R on the sidestand. Not bad for a little[/QUOTE] fella >> > ;) [and a very pensive Bub in the background ... !][QUOTE] Very glad I didn't challenge him to try it with the 12 :0 The 12 isn't much heavier than the 9R. I used to do the same with[/QUOTE] the >> Blunderbus, and that is quite a bit heavier than the 9R.[QUOTE] I really feel sorry for the side stand. Considering the minimal weight they're designed to take...[/QUOTE] You know this how?[/QUOTE] I think the last time engineering massively over engineered anything that much was when they were building steam engines. Plus the fact that manufacturers of sports bikes go to so much trouble to pare down the odd few grams of weight from most anything.[/QUOTE] So, you're guessing then. Fair enough.