SYD: St John's course December

In aus.motorcycles on Sat, 14 Nov 2009 15:13:28 +1100

As far as I know, a good samaritan at hte side of the road who
administers emergency first aid on good faith is protected by law.

Indeed, it's better *not* to have qualifications as some qualified
personnel are held to different obligations.

The course is a good one. Be a shame to have someone die or be in a
wheelchair because of fear of being sued. Glad to say that never
occurred to me and still doesn't seem to be a problem.

But then I am not particularly a worshipper at the certification
shrine.

Zebee

 

That was, kinda, the point I was getting at.

Indeed it is, assuming it's the same as the one we did.

Yup.

I've given up on a volunteer thingy I used to do, at least partly
because of the massive paper chase before you could _do_ anything.

Once you have a formalised and recognised, "certified" course you open
up a complete can of worms.

It wouldn't hold me back, but it would certainly discourage me from any
"recognised" certified course.

Me neither.

regards,
CrazyCam

 

Lol

How do you know it is _any_ good? Isn't a certificate an indicator that the
training is actually worth while?

I agree with some of your arguments about people dieing, but not in context
of this discussion.

If you want to encourage people to get first aid training, that is
admirable. However, if as you say, it is so "specialised", then you need to
be offering something supports that.

H

 

Yes, my world exists of people in groups greater than 1.
H

 

How about you go and do the course and then get back to us with your
opinion?

regards,
CrazyCam

 

So that is an offer of course entry, accommodation, travel as well as my
opinion?

H

 

Possibly not but he only way aynone can know is either by trusted
opinion or do it
Which choice will you be making ?

 

Well, no.

If you were up here, I could manage to offer you a bed and a few beers,
possibly even some food, provided I can convince Angie that you are
house trained. ;-)

Both Zebee and I have done this course.

We both thought it was a good course, and recommend it to others.

I, personally, would not do the course, or re-do the course, if it were
an officially recognised, certified course.

regards,
CrazyCam

 

AOL

 

Ha ha ha, why do I feel I am talking to Sharkey?

Good for you guys. I am all for people getting first aid training, I
question _anything_ that doesn't have a certificate attached to it, and
wonder why.

That is great. I've done some fantastic courses and others, well....

Why not? Does the certificate in some way lessen the usefulness? Would you
do/undertake training for motorcycle riding or the tutelage of others if it
were recognised and certified?

At what point does the need for certification and the cost of a course
become an issue?

H

 

Are you shifting the goal posts from "first aid courses" to all things
worthwhile?

H

 

They were revoked some time ago (at least in Victoria).

I have a level 3 St. Johns certificate with oxygen and defrib, we didn't
just get paper... we also got a cloth patch (but we have to go back
every 12 months to get a new one).

It's really good for err... well... keeping WorkSafe from complaining we
don't have first aider. That's about it really.


G-S

 

In a convoluted way, that is funny - the assumption that you realize I
was agreeing with you being understood of course.

 

St. Johns in Victoria offer 'specialized' training at lvl 3 but not at
the lower senior or basic levels.

You can take a lvl 3 course specialized for workplace first aider, life
saving, remote area aid and some others.


G-S

 

Part of the reason was because the good samaritan act doesn't apply in
Victoria (from what St. Johns teach).

The above legislation (which I'm aware of) evidnetly doesn't cover
people in a 'side of the road' situation.


G-S

 

This must be that other world called Victoria?

So, you'd do a first aid course with out a certificate then?

H

 

We got a cloth patch (and an entry in the computer database), we don't
get a paper certificate.

We get a 'certification' but not an actual certificate, so yes I would
(and I did).


G-S

 

If they weren't revoked then St. Johns are teaching hundreds of students
the wrong answer (wouldn't be the first time)


G-S

 

I, too, wonder why you would question a course which doesn't have a
certificate attached to it.

In a general sense, the world has gone certificate-mad.

OK, so this particular course is recommended by two people that you
have, in a sense, known for a few years now.

Frankly, I'd take a personal recommendation from someone that I know,
over the "magic" of a certificate.

Interesting you should ask this.

Just over ten years ago, now, I undertook the training and got a licence
to instruct folk in the riding of motorbikes.

The instructor's licence needs to be renewed every five years. I renewed
it once, at considerable expense, but when it was again due for renewal,
in September of this year, I decided to let it lapse.

The reason for this decision was that I had not actually used the
licence to teach people for money, but holding the licence carried
various potential legal problems.

Once the licence has lapsed, I'm back to being a motorbike rider, who
may be bought beer in exchange for advice.

I also do a riding course every three years as a pupil, and the only
thing I do with the certificate of attendance, is send it on to the
Ulysses Club, for my cash back subsidy.

I'm in the lucky position that the cost, within certain wide limits, is
immaterial, and, now I no longer work or take part in CoastGuard
activities, I don't need to care too much about certificates at all.

I'll do a course if I am interested in what is being taught, but I
probably won't bother keeping my Fist Aid certificate up to date.

regards,
CrazyCam

 

when I did mine about 12 months back we were told no one has ever been
Successfully Sued in Australia ever, and never will be as long as they
only administer "first aid". Try an emergency tracheotomy and it goes
wrong... get yourself a good lawyer.. It just comes down to know what
you can and cant do,

I believe you don't have a certificate or certification to administer
first aid, but you do to be called a "First Aider" in a work place,
club etc etc

Mine has now expired, I was suppose to do it again 3 weeks back but
was cancelled by my boss cos we are under staffed.. still getting paid
for it, no idea where I stand on that one


OH... I take being a First Aider a community service, not part of my
job, but the CSA takes the $22 tax free money I get for it and gives
some of it to my ex..
I told them you can stick you First Aid money up your arse and if I
see any of them dying on the side of the road, I would just watch them
die... they didnt seem to see the humour in that :-\

mh