SYD: St John's course December

St John's is running the motorcycle specific "my mate has crashed and
there's blood everywhere and now what" course in Dec (6th or 20th) at
the Surrey Hills St John's centre.

$100 for the course. You get no certificate, what you get is the
ability to save someone's life or spine rather than standing
around uselessly.

The course will cover:
Recognition and management of the unconscious rider
Management of trauma including bleeding (internal and external),shock
and chest injuries
When and how to remove a motorcycle helmet
Resuscitation of the unconscious non-breathing casualty
Management of the casualty

If you want to book into the December courses on 6th or 20th Dec
(the cost is only $100) please call St Johns on 1300 360 455.

I've done this course. It is a good set of basic skills to keep
someone alive and together (and not run over...) while the ambulance
is coming.

Note that if you go hooning with friends, you want one of them to have
been to this course if you come off and clout the scenery....

Zebee

 

Why no certificate?
Spend another 50, get a tax deductible receipt and a recognisable first aid
course.
H

 

In aus.motorcycles on Tue, 10 Nov 2009 23:16:39 +1100

because it's a specialist course in road trauma.

It goes much more into what you need for the road crash than the
normal certificate does.

Zebee

 

I reckon it should be compulsary with your licence to do some sort of first aid
course, and carry a kit like they do in Germany. Any idea if they do one in
Perth? I'd like to do it.

Fraser

 

In aus.motorcycles on Wed, 11 Nov 2009 12:52:57 +0800

I haven't heard of one in Perth and my understanding is that the
Sydney one is the baby of one particular St John's guy.

However, ring them and ask. If enough people do that, they'll see the
point of putting one on.

If you can find 10-20 people who want it then tell them that. If you
are a member of a club or regular ride group then see how many you
can get interested.

Zebee

 

Sounds like a plan. A really shitty plan, but a plan nonetheless.

Fraser

 

In aus.motorcycles on Wed, 11 Nov 2009 18:10:51 +1100

But I already know how to shake my head and say "Oh well, won't need
the helicopter"

Zebee

 

I had to do that recently for a silly sod at Logan Village who hi-sided


He died about a month later of a bee sting ( I kid you not)

 

It's legible English? News to me.

Fraser

 

So is cognisant process

do you have a point apart from stealing O2 ?

 

Spanking morons like you in arguements on usenet.

Fraser

 

We know you are a spanker kid
now answer the question

 

Errrr, right, that doesn't make any sense at all.

If it is a specialist course, then why not certify it?

Sounds like a reason _not_ to do it.

H

 

In aus.motorcycles on Fri, 13 Nov 2009 23:19:25 +1100

I expect because there's a lot of paperwork and no good reason.

I mean what does a "certificate" mean? You do, I vaguely recall, get
a piece of paper. So?

It's not going to fulfill the requirements to get your name in the
roster at work as the first aid guy but it's not aimed at that, is it.

So what would this piece of paper do? What use would it be to you?

Who would want to see it, and why?

Zebee

 

It's a public sector thing - the more paper you can produce the more
the mucky muck above you has its bum covered. Very important
substance, paper.

 

Not just a "lot" but whole shit loads, and standardisation and all sorts
of wonderful modern day bullshit.

The course would end up costing four times the price, and taking three
times the time.

Possibly a coroner or a lawyer.

The coroner, to apportion blame, and the lawyer to sue the pants off you.

regards,
CrazyCam

 

In aus.motorcycles on Sat, 14 Nov 2009 10:03:01 +1100

Good Samaritan laws prevent the latter, and I think prevent the former
too.

On the other hand, the certificate is less bulky than a loo roll so
could be of use at rallies.

Zebee

 

No good reason?

Really? Rhetorical or, you don't know?

For me, and others, lots.

Welcome to world outside of yours!

Hammo

 

No, if the course can't justify a "certificate", then what use does it have?

....and that would be a bad thing, why exactly?

A coroner? Do go on.........

Coroner to apportion blame? What world is this you speak of?

Hammo

 

With 'formal' first aid training (at least with Qld Ambulance) there is
a degree of underwriting should someone sue you for injuries sustained
due to first aid you've administered. (Of course, you need to stick to
only applying what you've been taught, and not go outside that scope).

The 'piece of paper' is a form of insurance.