[QUOTE="Preston"] The 660's the kickstart only race bike isn't it? You may want the 640 LC4 if you want a button.[/QUOTE] hmm - you're right. The 625 SMC has an electric start, but it's 10Kg heavier than the 660. I suppose I'll have to get myself down to Bracken[1] and have a go at kick-starting one. [1] who are selling all 2004-model Duke-IIs, LC4 and SMCs (both 625 and 660) for 4750 OTR at the moment, which seems pretty good.