Sump plug

Discussion in 'UK Motorcycles' started by Gavin, Apr 19, 2010.

  1. Gavin

    zymurgy Guest

    I'd re-use the head bolts and replace the head gasket. I have 2 sets
    of head bolts and I re-used the 10 shortest ones :)

    For any head gasket, as others have said, the fire rings distort on
    1st torqueing, so you've no chance of it sealing the next time. Like
    those deformable exhaust gaskets you get, use once, then throw away ..

    Paul.
     
    zymurgy, Apr 25, 2010
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  2. Gavin

    Andy Bonwick Guest

    As a lot of others have already said, the problem with head gaskets
    is that a lot of them incorporate a crush seal around the inner edge
    and once it's been released it never quite seals properly again.

    Buy a new one, put the old one on the new bag and Ebay it.
     
    Andy Bonwick, Apr 25, 2010
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  3. Gavin

    A.Lee Guest

    I knew that deep down, but wanted someone to assure me that it would be
    fine re-using the 'old' bits.
    I've just put my order in to Euro Carparts, nearly £100 inc. a new
    tensioner. I'm going to be keeping it for a couple more years, so sense
    has overcome frugality.

    The valve 'pinged' when I turned the engine a quarter turn with a
    ratchet on the crank. Apparently these have a habit of breaking right
    near the collets if the valve is stressed when refitted, though how I
    could be so hamfisted as to damage a valve when refitting is beyond me
    - the collet end is not even touched when refitting the springs.
    Naughty. I'm sure people have done that before - I was just looking for
    head bolts on there, some were loose in a bag, there is no way of
    knowing if they had already been used, then cleaned up for selling on.
    Far better to go to a reputable source for these I reckon.
    Ta
    Alan.
     
    A.Lee, Apr 25, 2010
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    Catman Guest

    Only if you put it together with the timing wrong, surely?

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    Catman, Apr 25, 2010
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  5. Gavin

    A.Lee Guest

    Well, yes, I know that, it was all assembled, just needed a water top-up
    before it could be started, I was turing it over by hand to make sure it
    was all free. Moved it round a little bit, then heard a ping. Removing
    the cams revealed a valve end with two collets still held onto the
    broken piece.
    Alan.
     
    A.Lee, Apr 25, 2010
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  6. Gavin

    zymurgy Guest

    The K series forum juries are out on that. Some stretch beyond re-use,
    some don't. They recommend measuring them.

    In an ideal world you'd never re-use, but since the K series head
    gasket appears to be a service item ...

    Paul.
     
    zymurgy, Apr 25, 2010
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    Catman Guest

    I was actually talking about this specific incident. Mr Lee seems to
    have done something 'odd'


    <quote>
    it was all assembled, just needed a water top-up
    before it could be started
    </quote>

    Which would seem to indicate to me that the timing was out. Of course,
    this may have been covered elsewhere in the thread, which I CBA to read
    through.
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    Catman, Apr 25, 2010
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  8. Gavin

    A.Lee Guest

    No, nothing wrong, just a valve snapped at the collet end when it was
    turned over.
    No apparent reason, and a VW forum suggests this is not quite unusual on
    this engine (VW 1.8 20v).
    Alan.
     
    A.Lee, Apr 26, 2010
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  9. Gavin

    A.Lee Guest

    The timing was perfect. It was clearly a manufacturing fault, or was
    inadvertently damaged when fitting it.
    No pressure was put on the engine at all, it was turned slowly by hand,
    and I heard a 'ping' as it turned. In total, it was turned less than a
    quarter turn.
    It was being re-fitted as I had just replaced most of the valves after a
    cambelt fault. The valves that were damaged then were bent at the head
    end, not the collet end, so this was not a normal fault.
    Alan.
     
    A.Lee, Apr 26, 2010
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