Sump plug

Discussion in 'UK Motorcycles' started by Gavin, Apr 19, 2010.

  1. Gavin

    Thomas Guest

    The oil leak thread up there ^ made me think of drain washers. I reuse
    mine all the time, but I wonder... has anyone ever heard of one
    leaking?
     
    Thomas, Apr 20, 2010
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  2. Gavin

    crn Guest

    When I bought the LE Velocette it was dripping slowly, the fibre washer
    was rock hard. A new fibre washer fixed it at a cost of almost bugger all.
    Why take the risk when a new washer costs pennies and takes seconds to fit ?
     
    crn, Apr 20, 2010
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  3. For sump plugs? No effing way.
     
    The Older Gentleman, Apr 20, 2010
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  4. Not really necessary, but equally don't use the same one for decades.
     
    The Older Gentleman, Apr 20, 2010
    #24
  5. I have, once. Camchain tensioner mounting bolt on my GT750. Low torque,
    set the wrench to that low torque (about 8 ft/lbs IIRC) and it stripped.
    Bastard thing.
     
    The Older Gentleman, Apr 20, 2010
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  6. Gavin

    darsy Guest

    the bloke that wrote the manual, you mean?
     
    darsy, Apr 20, 2010
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  7. Gavin

    Hog Guest

    K100 16V cam cap bolts. Fucking cunting things, especially after home
    servicing by people who don't use a torque wrench....

    I had a box of Trueserts ready on the bench.

    And of course I was under orders after the BBC R80 debacle, I had to TORQUE
    every sump plug and drop a blob of silver paint on the join.

    The one that freaks me a bit sometimes is bleed nipples. A bit of corrosion
    can make sealing them feel too damn tight.
     
    Hog, Apr 20, 2010
    #27
  8. Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, Champ
    Me neither.
    <shuts the **** up>
     
    Wicked Uncle Nigel, Apr 20, 2010
    #28
  9. Ditto, through believing the Book of Lies. A fecking mistprint had a
    rogue '1' in front of a '7' for a 6mm camcover torque setting.
     
    Grimly Curmudgeon, Apr 20, 2010
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  10. Gavin

    TOG@Toil Guest

    I had that on the torque settings for the cam caps, same bike, same
    manual. It was in Metric and looked odd, so I did a conversion and
    discovered it was out by a factor of 10. Lucky I'd double checked
    before applying a spanner, but something like 85ft/lbs looked damned
    odd for a cam cap bolt.
     
    TOG@Toil, Apr 20, 2010
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  11. Gavin

    zymurgy Guest

    Nope, never. I've snapped a bolt and streched another one by blindly
    believing the torque wrench though
    I did cross thread a spark plug once :/ [1]

    Fucker was down in amongst some FI pipework.

    That was a head off and helicoil job

    P.

    [1] Before I learnt the rubber tube trick ..

    Paul.
     
    zymurgy, Apr 20, 2010
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  12. Gavin

    Gavin Guest

    Whats the rubber tube trick?

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    Gavin, Apr 20, 2010
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  13. Gavin

    Lozzo Guest

    You put a longish tight fitting rubber tube over the ceramic and wind
    the plug in by hand. Especially useful on engines that have plugs
    buried deep inside the cylinder head where fingers won't reach.

    It stops plugs getting cross threaded as easily as just blindly relying
    on a socket to wind it in all the way. With the rubber tube your
    fingers will feel if it cross threads cos it will stop and the tube
    gets kinked up.
     
    Lozzo, Apr 20, 2010
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  14. Gavin

    Gavin Guest

    Amazing. Iv never had an engine that the plugs were that deep, so would
    never have thought.

    I always finger screw plugs in however until they need nipping up.

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    Gavin, Apr 20, 2010
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    Nige Guest

    Golf gti 16v - not good....
     
    Nige, Apr 20, 2010
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  16. Gavin

    Pip Luscher Guest

    Yes. eventually they die even with annealing.

    My car started dripping oil afther the fisrt oul change in my
    possession, I think. I've tried new washers and even a new bolt - all
    to no avail. As far as I can tell the surface is OK and I don't think
    I cross-threaded it or anything. I torqued it up correctly and
    everything [1]. I eventually started using soft silicone that I bought
    for diff drain plugs on another vehicle. That fixed it.

    [1] except last time - I took the torque reading out of a workshop
    manual for an older model rather than the car's own user handbook - I
    thought it seemed a bit excessive at the time. It was only when I
    stumbled upon the correct value whil looking for something else that I
    realized my mistake. Luckily it doesn't seem to have done any damage.
     
    Pip Luscher, Apr 20, 2010
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  17. Gavin

    Pip Luscher Guest

    Never, ever.

    I sometimes find myself gritting my teeth just doing a bolt up to the
    correct torque - head studs and fromt brake caliper bolts often do up
    tighter than most normal bolts of a similar size & thread.
     
    Pip Luscher, Apr 20, 2010
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  18. Gavin

    Pip Luscher Guest

    *cough*

    The guy who bought an 8V K100RS off me claimed that I'd overtightened
    one of the cam cover bolts. Of course, he could have broken it himself
    but I do have memories of one feeling 'not quite right'.
    Undoing them always has me wincing as I wind up the pressure, ever
    since I had at least one shear off my old XS750.

    Nowadays I generally use Plusgas first and fit an old small socket
    over the top - just big enough to bear on the hex part - and give it a
    few taps with a hammer to help crack any seal that might have
    developed. I do them up with minimum force - just enough to seal with
    the lever pulled hard, then tighten a tweak more.

    I hate undoing bleed nipples.
     
    Pip Luscher, Apr 20, 2010
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  19. On SOBs, I apply heat as a matter of course before I wave a spanner
    anywhere near the bastard things.
     
    The Older Gentleman, Apr 21, 2010
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  20. Gavin

    darsy Guest

    I don't even know what one is. Well, I've seen a bleeding nipple[1],
    but I don't think that's what you meant.

    I'm not even sure this thread is written in English - I haven't
    understood a word of it.


    [1] piercing: don't try it at home.
     
    darsy, Apr 21, 2010
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