Strange wear pattern on front tire

Discussion in 'Motorbike Technical Discussion' started by oldgeezer, May 8, 2007.

  1. oldgeezer

    oldgeezer Guest

    Hi all,

    Not a problem (I think), but I am curious.

    When I looked at my VF400F while the sun was about
    to set, I noticed a strange (but regular) series of shades
    on my front tire.

    The tire is a Dunlop Arrowmax K625A, mounted correct,
    and the wheel is balanced. There is no vibration on the
    handle bars too.
    The tire is about halfway it's life, about a year old
    (I don't take a note when I buy a tire), it is not dried
    out, and never repaired.
    I ride the bike on average 4 times a week, which
    is approx 400 miles each week.

    Note that the pattern on my tire differs from the
    arrowmax K625A shown at the dunlop web site,
    so I describe the pattern below.
    The pattern on the rubber looks as fat arrows, split
    over the full length from point thru shaft in a straight
    line, so it looks as if there are a series of split arrows
    on the tire. The arrow-points hit the tarmac first,
    which is the way it should be.

    Arrows are 3" long, the head is 2" wide, 1" long,
    and the shaft is 2" long and 1" wide.

    The strange wear pattern that I have is on
    the last part of the shaft, about an inch (25mm) long,
    and that shaft end is about 1/32'' (1 mm) lower than
    the next arrow point (which comes about 1/16" (2mm)
    after that lowered shaft end).
    So the shaft ends all wear faster than the rest of the
    arrows. This I can imagine because the shaft is
    smaller than the arrow heads. But.......

    a) The strange thing is that only the shaft ends
    of the left 'splitted' arrows are lower. The right hand
    is still at the same level as the rest of the arrow.

    b) The 'worn out' shaft end dives neatly (not abrupt)
    with a curve to that lower position. And all of
    the arrows have the same wear of that left shaft
    end.

    Now, I am a front breaker (rear doesn't do much)
    and the anchor plate of the brake holds on to
    the left front fork. So I thought that that could
    be the reason.

    Wrong tire pressure would affect both shafts, not
    only the left hand side (I suppose). Could be
    a worn out shock on the left side (I had that for
    a while), but I don't know.

    But maybe somebody out of cycles.tech-land has
    seen this before and can enlight me on the cause.

    Rob.
     
    oldgeezer, May 8, 2007
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  2. oldgeezer

    Badger Guest

    Do your roads have a camber on them?
    Cupping, I believe it is called. If your road has a camber, and you ride on
    right, the left of centre does indeed wear in a different pattern to the
    right.

    My current bike is displaying similar right of centre, as have many tyres in
    the past.

    HTH
     
    Badger, May 8, 2007
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  3. Ignore the reams of crap from Albrecht, saying you ride harder in
    left-hand corners than right. The answer is, quite simply, road camber.
     
    The Older Gentleman, May 8, 2007
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  4. oldgeezer

    oldgeezer Guest

    The Older Gentleman schreef:
    I would believe Albrecht, because his explanation seems logical,
    if it wasn't a fact that I lean over in right hand corners more than
    in left hand corners. I really do. Maybe that is caused by the fact
    that there are more right hand corners (in and out highways) in
    The Netherlands than there are left hand corners. So I am
    more confident because I've done right_hand much more times.
    There used to be one left_out of the highway near The Hague,
    but it was changed because it created a lot of accidents when
    people on the slow lane (right) had to switch to the left lane
    (high speed) in order to get off the highway.

    So it could be road camber. But I ride for about 50 years (of
    which 40 years daily) and never saw anything like it.
    And my other VF400 (I have two 'brothers' that differ the
    last digit in framenumber, engine-number and license plate)
    with a Firestone Battlax that is almost at end_of_life also
    seems to wear out evenly. But the profile of the Battlax is
    totally different. That may help.

    Thanks for your answers.
    Rob.
     
    oldgeezer, May 8, 2007
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  5. oldgeezer

    Badger Guest

    Well, it is a little more than just camber. Just a little more. Mostly
    camber.

    Most of the time, the bike is ridden upright. The camber may only be a few
    degrees, but it is there. This generates camber thrust. Imagine a
    'scrubbing' at the tyres/road bit.

    The tread blocks do not distort evenly. They squirm.

    Anyways, there is some good stuff on this link.

    http://www.t595.net/messageboard/thread.asp?thread=14322
     
    Badger, May 9, 2007
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  6. oldgeezer

    oldgeezer Guest

    Badger schreef:
    Thanks, good stuff to read.

    I'm convinced now. Street camber plus block pattern. This
    probably is my first Arrowmax, and probably my first tire
    that has a deep straight groove all around it.

    When I exaggerate the arrow-shaped blocks into
    a big head (size of a fist) and two very thin lines
    of rubber as shaft trailing that head, it is pretty
    easy to imagine what happens to the left hand shaft
    when you ride a camfered road.

    And I learned some new words: scalloping and squirm.

    Thank you all,
    Thread can be closed.

    Rob.
     
    oldgeezer, May 9, 2007
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  7. oldgeezer

    oldgeezer Guest

    You googled the correct picture that I could not find.

    They no longer groove freeways in The Netherlands. I once crossed
    Belgium from the west coast to the eastern border on such a road.
    I would not call that 'wiggle furiously'. It is a plain murder attack.

    Looks somewhat like an Avon I once had. Nice sticky tire that was,
    but (of course) it did not last very long.

    Oh, and we need rain tires here. it's a pretty wet country.

    Rob.
     
    oldgeezer, May 10, 2007
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    Telus Guest

    Telus, May 20, 2007
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