Stop Helmet Laws Now...

Shock AND awe?


Or is that just reserved for Bush cockworshipping?

 

Well, the knee sliders are superfluous, or should be velcroed onto the
footpegs, but otherwise looks good to me.

 

The problem is not one of limited resources, it's of people leeching
off the system when they know damn well it's pay as you go.

Why is medical care so expensive here? I'll tell you... because people
with insurance/means not only have to purchase the medical resources
they consume, but all those resources the indigent saddled the
hospital with when they showed up unannounced. To top it all of many
of these same uninsureds wind up suing the hospital for a quick buck
because some PI lawyer convinced them their ship has finally come in.

The $375 band-aid pays for the band-aid, the medical degree, the
fifteen idiots waiting in the ER with sore throats and Mr.
Slip-n-Fall's Porsche. If the hospital doesn't make up their losses
somehow, they very quickly close their doors. BTW, for all the whining
about insurance companies raping our medical system, etc... the
reality is they only make about 3% profit in the end.

If everybody made half an effort to remain insured then we'd all be
paying out less to the pool. But because people are shortsighted
and/or too greedy to take care of their own health until they're about
to drop dead, hospitals have to deal with the issue of making up for
lost resources spent in treating them. That being the current state of
affairs in the US, there is a very real precedent for NOT allowing
people the freedom to do as they please. If you want helmet laws
repealed, start by eliminating the 40% of uninsureds who are out on
their bike.

Actually since riding without a helmet is just as stupid of an idea as
not having healthcare insurance I wouldn't be surprised if close to
100% of all lidless riders do not carry healthcare!

 

Lar Lovisone
OK.

You support mandatory helmet use for motorcyclists and I believe that
you very likely wear a helmet when you ride your motorcycle. It is also
very likely that you own and drive an automobile of some sort. Have
you equipped your automobile(s) with 4-point harnesses, roll cages,
and explosive proof fuel bladders and do you wear a helmet when driving
them? Regardless of your answer I also ask: Why?

And why don't you trol^h^h^h^hadvocate these things in the automotive
newsgroups?

 

That pretty much describes my own internal dichotomy. I regard the
"cheating death" talk one finds in the sportbike forums as cartoonish
bravado. Guys see the attitude in the movies, try it on for size, find
that it gets them chicks, and adopt it.

Yet I can't deny that the risk of motorcycling is, indirectly, part of
its attraction. Riding quickly but safely on a mountain road--or just
safely in town--demands my best, both physically and mentally, and I
enjoy that demand. Constant situational awareness, planning ahead,
assessing risks, developing contingencies, and patting myself on the
back for doing something well produce the same kind of satisfaction that
other intellectually stressful pastimes do. But when I delve deeper,
I'm left with the unavoidable fact that a primary objective of all that
cerebral activity is to avoid crashing. And that if I *really* wanted
to avoid crashing, I'd find another hobby. But I don't, so I conclude
that "cheating death" is part of why I ride.

 

Mr. Caveman
Did the helmet law bring about a ban on bikes???

Or did the life saving helmet law bring about the greater good in regard
to acceptance that two wheels are a viable... safe and economic mode of
travel worthy as a traffic solution to future grid lock???


Larry L
94 RC45 #2
Have a wheelie NICE day...
Lean & Mean it... the extended warranty in every corner of your life...
If it wasn't for us the fast lane would rust...
V4'S are music to the seat of my pants...
1952 De Havilland Chipmunk...
Yank and bank your brains loose...
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Arguments such as these are long on emotion but short on logic. If they
were logical they would also be good arguments for banning everything
that may result mothers witnessing others' deaths, such as cars, trucks,
busses, trains, aircraft, etcetera ad nauseum.

 

Sorry, Larry. That's already illegal.
R, UB

 

I hate driving my car in urban traffic, delightful though it can be on
the open road, for the reasons you mention.

R, UB

 

And is it possible that the UK helmet law is another in a long series
of personal liberty losses that may one day lead to motorcycles being
banned?

 

Don't jump to conclusions. While some controlled substances are no
more dangerous than alcohol, others certainly cause harm to other than
the user.

 

So much for the home of the brave then, huh?

 

Just as Football has learned to spare the viewing public from the
powerful emotion of players caught up in a bad compound fracture...

motorcycling will learn prevention is the key to arresting the power a
riders blood on the windshield has on the cagers emotion...


Larry L
94 RC45 #2
Have a wheelie NICE day...
Lean & Mean it... the extended warranty in every corner of your life...
If it wasn't for us the fast lane would rust...
V4'S are music to the seat of my pants...
1952 De Havilland Chipmunk...
Yank and bank your brains loose...
http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/-xlax-/
http://home.comcast.net/~netters2/

 

But nothing predating Honda's arrival is of any significance.

 

Even if you use a DOT approved barrel?

 

Jeez. So when was this idyllic time that you're thinking of ? I kinda
figure most of these paradises exist in peoples minds without much
history to back them up. Not a big fan of the so-called patriot act
but it certainly has plenty of historic precedents.

 

I will admit awe when it's a valid point made in a civil manner .... regarding
politics!

 

How about if you just move your bike from one side of the street
to the other due to street cleaning? Here, you have to wear a
helmet even if you just move your bike inside your own garage
as long as the engine is on. This is the main reason I'm
personally in favor of repealing the helmet law here; because
when it's a law it's no longer a matter of common sense and
good judgement. The other big reason is that I'd like to be
able to wear whatever helmet I want, regardless of whether the
government considers it one. It took years before I could use a
Schubert, solely because it wasn't DOT tested. Or I'd like to
be able to ride in a parade without a helmet (and without the
local PD having to issue a statement that they're going to ignore
the law in favor of common sense for that event). I think I'm
able to judge what makes good sense, what is commesurate with the
risks, and what makes a good helmet (or armor in general, I
rarely get on the bike without it, and if I do it's to move it
across the street or such) to match the risks. I'd like to be
able to take my helmet off in a drive-through, or if moving 2mph
through standing traffic in ahot day (you know, the kind you
don't get in the UK with 90-100 degree heat, and when you do
people drop like flies). Sure I can sustain a head injury if I
slip on an oily patch in a parking lot. I can sustain a head
injury if I step on a banana peel in a stairwell, as well. I
can also sustain serious injuries; head, neck, and elsewehre if
suffering a heat stroke while 25mph on a residential street.

 

Why only a 4 point harness? Race cars are all fitted with 6 point
harnesses as well as head and neck restraints to prevent whiplash. Let's
add those in as well. Oh yeah, and roll cages as well as any number of
other things that race cars have in them for safety.

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I see absolutely nothing wrong with that picture. If they so desire to
wear all that gear, that is perfectly fine with me. I just don't wish to
be told that I have to wear all that gear, I'm capable of making the
decision as to how much risk I will accept and what gear I will wear, and
when. If you're incapable of making that decision without it being a law,
that's your problem, not mine.

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Odinn

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'97 VN1500D ......... http://odinn-frigga.tripod.com/scoot
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