Stop Helmet Laws Now...

The issue more or less started not with should you wear a helmet, but
that a national law should be passed. There are at least three camps
in this:

1) The U.S. federal government should enact the helmet law so that all
the States have to abide and has every right to do so.

2) The State legislatures are the bodies that should enact the law if
that particular State sees fit and that the federal government has no
constitutional say in the matter

and

3) "Nobody's going to tell me to wear a helmet."

It all kind of goes to hell from there.

--

John
Apple Valley, MN
'02 FZ1
'73 RD350

 

Wow, Ben. You missed *and* proved Dem's point all in one sentence.

With all due respect, I suggest you think a little more deeply about
the totality of the argument, because this subject's big picture is
about much more than just speed law and helmet regulations.

Cheers,

Tim Kreitz
2003 ZX7R
2000 ZX6R
DoD #2184
http://www.timkreitz.com

 

LOL, I love it!

I've heard that argument about helmet laws, too. "if I should have to
wear one on a motorcycle for safety, car drivers should too!" Yup, and
it would beat the hell out of having an airbag exploding in my face.
Helmet-hair for everyone! Next would be the White Head Restraint
System.

And think of this, you couldn't use a cell phone then, could ya?



And no, I do not wear my helmet in my truck.
Nor have I decided how facetious I am being. >8)

--

John
Apple Valley, MN
'02 FZ1
'73 RD350

 

How about a compromise on this one? The hospital has to treat you but if
resources are limited you loose priority to someone else with the same
severeness of illness or injury.


Ben

http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/rockland_mc_riders

 

So you are for legalizing "controlled substances," then?

Charles

 

If everyone quoted him, you'd still be a dumbass.

Charles

 

110 or 220?

 

Extra speed initiative would not apply to city streets where kids live
and play...


Larry L
94 RC45 #2
Have a wheelie NICE day...
Lean & Mean it... the extended warranty in every corner of your life...
If it wasn't for us the fast lane would rust...
V4'S are music to the seat of my pants...
1952 De Havilland Chipmunk...
Yank and bank your brains loose...
http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/-xlax-/
http://home.comcast.net/~netters2/

 

For the same reason automobile racing folk wear them. Are you in support
of helmet laws for automobile drivers?

 

I strongly believe that a truly free market will find an appropriate
balance of risks, benefits, and costs. There will be insurance companies
that are willing to cover the risks if enough people are interested
in partaking of hazardous activities and are willing to pay the true cost
of those activities, and if those activities are not so hazardous that the
loss rate is such that insurers can make a reasonable profit at the price
its customers are willing to pay.

I believe this strongly enough that I am willing to risk that riding is
too dangerous for insurers to cover the potential losses in exchange for
eliminating legislators choosing my safety equipment. Note that this
requires a TRULY free market to work, however. We cannot have the
insurers engaging in any kind of collusion (price fixing, agreeing
to limit coverage, etc.), nor can we have the government providing any
advantage (subsidies, monopolies, etc.) to some insurers. (These
examples are not intended to be a complete list of the requirements
of a truly free market!)

I also believe that these conditions are very unlikely to occur in my
lifetime, as we have become a nation of sheeple willing to give up our
freedom in exchange for a chance to suck from the government teat.

 

First, the corners Larry was talking about are probably not in residential
areas.

Second, most motorcycles can change direction and speed a whole lot faster
than a Winnebago. Motorcyclists may have better visibility. There are
fewer distractions on a motorcycle.

Try driving an RV sometime in heavy traffic and see if you don't feel like
you'd like a little more space around you than you'd want on your bike.

ab

 

Maybe so, but it happened nontheless.

ab

 

(Peer Landa) wrote in @news.Stanford.EDU:

Is that really true? If there was no possible consequence to making an
error, would riding fast be as engaging as it is? I'm not talking about
fear of death and whatnot, but even scratching plastic and more trivial
"penalties."

On one level, riding a motorcycle just feels good, but on another, it's a
game in which you get to use your judgement and skills to ride your
motorcycle somewhere within your idea of what the limits are. How close we
each choose to get to these limits is a highly individual thing, but there
is almost always some level of built-in tension, even if subtle.

ab

 

Andy...
If motorcycles are banned... I'll prove that a sedate past time will not
replace the excitement of riding... I'll build barrels for us to tackle
Niagara Falls...

Larry L
94 RC45 #2
Have a wheelie NICE day...
Lean & Mean it... the extended warranty in every corner of your life...
If it wasn't for us the fast lane would rust...
V4'S are music to the seat of my pants...
1952 De Havilland Chipmunk...
Yank and bank your brains loose...
http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/-xlax-/
http://home.comcast.net/~netters2/

 

Don and Odinn...
Would you think fortitude if you saw this public display at your local
Harley dealer???

http://home.comcast.net/~netters2/pics11-3-03/imagepages/HarleyShop01.html

Larry L
94 RC45 #2
Have a wheelie NICE day...
Lean & Mean it... the extended warranty in every corner of your life...
If it wasn't for us the fast lane would rust...
V4'S are music to the seat of my pants...
1952 De Havilland Chipmunk...
Yank and bank your brains loose...
http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/-xlax-/
http://home.comcast.net/~netters2/

 

That's nice, but what you feel and what logic dictates may not always
intersect. The overwhelming majority of road users are breaking the
law when driving. Either the law is wrong, or society has gone to hell
in a handbasket.

Yet there is nothing inherently immoral in travelling fast. You could
argue about the recklessness of putting other innocents in harm's way
yet consider the following:

Virtually every new vehicle sold is just as capable of safely
travelling at 85 as it is at 55. There is little practical difference
between hitting something solid at 55 or 75. Both generate forces far
in excess of what the human body can withstand and what any amount of
safety engineering can overcome.

Simple physics really. So if we TRULY cared about safety we'd all be
driving vehicles with federally mandated 30mph speed restrictors
(while wearing helmets of course) since that's the speed vehicles are
crash tested at and are designed to perform their best. We'd also
outlaw SUVs, since they don't play nice with smaller cars, far more
likely to roll over and are not subject to the same rigorous
regulations as passenger cars.

I can assure you that the above requirements would reduce our annual
fatalities by at least two thirds. Care to run on that platform?

 

SHUT THE **** UP AND BUY A NEW MOTORCYCLE ALREADY!!!

I recommend a ZX-12R with a turbo kit.

 

Negative. Whilst my affliction resembles Wallerstein syndrome on the
surface I am am confining my purchases to used bikes[1] and I would
NEVER consider selling my babies unless I've shagged them to pieces or
run out of space in front of my Jeep, whichever comes first.











[1] Appealing to your inner Scrooge somehow makes it easier to
rationalize the insanity.

 

HAHAHAHAHAHA!

I'll bet you didn't forecast that Aaaaahnold thingy eh?

 

Mike Kesti
I not only favor helmets laws for cagers but also 4 point harness...
roll cages... explosive proof fuel bladders...

Larry L
94 RC45 #2
Have a wheelie NICE day...
Lean & Mean it... the extended warranty in every corner of your life...
If it wasn't for us the fast lane would rust...
V4'S are music to the seat of my pants...
1952 De Havilland Chipmunk...
Yank and bank your brains loose...
http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/-xlax-/
http://home.comcast.net/~netters2/