Stop Helmet Laws Now...

Thanks for commenting on this. I find that the casual throwing about of
"liberal" as epithet really indicates a misuse of the word, an ignorance
of its definition, and a propensity to listen to hate-spewing
polarization such as offered by Rush Limbaugh. "Liberal" is such a handy
label, which can be applied to anything, from the dog that crapped on
your lawn, to the neighbors who insist you clean up the dead appliances
rusting away in your front yard. It's an even more mindless epithet than
"asshole," which is guaranteed to be, to some extent, accurate.

barbz

 

Wouldn't it be great if the world was black and white? ;-) BAN GRAY
and every other color!

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And don't forget to ban walking, the most dangerous form of commonly
used transportation as measured by accidents per 1000 miles traveled.
I think (hope) that Andy Burnett had his tongue planted firmly in his
cheek when he made that statement.

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Liberals don't display intolerance for people. It's just that idiots
today label "Democrats" as "Liberals." I mean WTF?

Charles

 

Gasp!!! How could you do something like that? After all the man owns
and rides Mr. RC45 #2!!!!

A long time ago I disagreed with him when he advised someone that it's
acceptable to plug their bike tire which would see 175 mph. Someone
in AMS then brought it to my attention that Xlax not only owns but
rides an RC45 and makes his own kickstands therefore the man must know
what he's talking about. Egg on my face.

Dang dude....the guy owns Mr. RC45 "fer Xlaxsake". Now you're just
talking blasphemy. Shame on you

Now I think I can agree with what you just said there...but I'll have
to wait until Xlax respondes before I can be 100% sure

George
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CX650 TURBO

 

If one of those damn liberal dogs craps in my yard, I'm going to pop a cap in
that hate-spewing mofo!

 

Bwa-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha!!! (Charles, you crack me up!)

Those would be the people that towards whom liberals don't display intolerance?

Don't display intolerance.... just pop a cap in those mofos!

 

Ben, that study doesn't address the difference in costs to riders, insurance
companies, or society between riders who are killed because they did not wear
helmets and riders who are injured but survive because they did wear helmets.

If your sole aim is to save the state money because of motorcycle injuries that
are not covered by insurance or personal payment by injured riders or their
families, then you can either ban motorcycles outright, require insurance, or
mandate that riders post a personal responsibility surety bond.

The study you cite (which I purchased, printed, and will be studying in more
detail) does not address the point that I am making.

Tim

 

Well, when my friend Clayton hit the truck that turned left in front of him at
55mph 10 years ago, I can assure you that he would have died if he had not been
wearing a helmet. His helmeted head pushed the metal frame of the passenger
door window eight inches into the cab of the truck, before he was flung around
into the windshield of the truck. In spite of his helmet, he had two severe
skull fractures in addition to several other life-threatening non-brain related
injuries.

The cost of his emergency life-flight via helicopter to Duke Medical Center cost
more in 1993 than my father's funeral did in 2003.

Clayton's total medical costs were over $1,000,000, including about a dozen
post-ICU surgeries, and not including permanent paralysis of his right arm and
the loss of productivity as a result.

I think it would be a pretty simple study to look at motorcycle accidents and
compare those that resulted in death when the rider wasn't wearing helmet with
those of a directly comparable nature when the rider was wearing a helmet and
determine the costs to society.

I can also think of a number of reasons why such a study has never been
undertaken (no pun intended) and never will be.

 

Seeing those kids makes my blood run cold. I remember how fast (and how BADLY)
I rode my Honda CB750F in 1980 when I was 22 and full of piss and vinegar, and
even then I had the minimum amount of sense to at least wear a full face helmet,
jacket, gloves, boots, and jeans when acting like a total fool.

When one of my VRTP MRC or BRC graduates comes back to visit me and say "Hi" on
the range these days, if they're not wearing proper gear, I tell them to leave
and not come back again unless they're wearing the proper gear. Makes me feel
like I wasted my time trying to educate them!

Tim

 

Oh, I forgot. The world is supposed to revolve around everything
American.

In Canada, we have a political party by the name of "Liberal" and the
people who belong to it call themselves "Liberals". I'll talk about
Liberals all I bloody-well want!

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Tim,
Quick question on the BRC. What kind of helmet is required? I do have
a halfshell DOT approved lid. I think I might know where I can borrow a
3/4 if that is required.

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Does Canaduh have a Conservative party? My guess would be no.

Mike

 

I agree, it is a big crap filled argument.

The Texas laws are really sweet on this. You don't wanna wear a
helmet? GREAT, we support your freedom to choose.

BUT, with rights, come responsibilities.

Take MSF Class
Have Adequate Personal Insurance
Be of legal decision making age
Have Legislature FUND rider education programs


this way, riders get educated, and are insured to cover hospital costs,
are old enough to make the choice, AND, the state PUSHES education


Most educated riders will wear helmets, but it is by choice. The
non-compliant riders get a hefty fine too.

What about the numb-nuts who does not do any of the above, crashes, and
is in hospital?

Guess what? There are always idiots.


But choice is what America is based on, (unlike California
unsuccessfully continues to tries to legislate saftey and intelligence)
and we might as well help make good ones.



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Actually we have two, The Progressive Conservatives and the Canadian
Alliance. We also have a Socialist Party known as The New Democratic
Party. Then as a byproduct of a multi party political system we have
several fringe parties.

It always amazes me how an educated nation can be totally blind to the
political events of their neighbours.


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Actually, it has been done at least once and the URL to one such study
has been posted in this thread a few times. The hard part is that its
overall findings do not agree with your "logical" conclusion and your
anecdote.

As for your friend's expenses: would you rather have buried him?

 

Canada is not alone. Most civilized countries have numerous political
parties.

It is to the interest of American big business owners and their
government representatives (that's Senators and Representatives) that
common folk (that's everyone else) don't hear much about how things are
done elsewhere.

 

Like it matters who runs Canada to Americans? Put a CEO in charge and call
it what it is already, the 51st State of Pax Americana, otherwise known as
the North American Hegemony ( NAH for short! ).

Frozen most of the year, politically slightly left of center, no different
than California, socially left of center, again not much different than
California, several languages spoken because no one apparently has the balls
to actually mostly PICK one,and every time I head up and talk to people in
Regina or Calgary they are asking if I can get them a job so they can move
down into where the real action takes place.

I say incorporate already, and take advantage of being part of Pax
Americana, rather than some mostly frozen place which gets taken for granted
because...well seriously...what EXACTLY do you think Canadians can do about
it? Invade Seattle? Clone Pamela and send an army of her down to influence
American policy makers?

Give us a reason to pay attention...otherwise...keep building those cars for
us, enjoy the taxes, keep that exchange rate in our favor so when we visit
it doesn't cost much, keep coming up with women who look like Pamela who
when they figure out the way the world works immediately move to the Lower
48, and elect whatever polticial group you want to keep the natives in
check.

 

Like it matters who runs Canada to Americans? Put a CEO in charge and call
it what it is already, the 51st State of Pax Americana, otherwise known as
the North American Hegemony ( NAH for short! ).

Frozen most of the year, politically slightly left of center, no different
than California, socially left of center, again not much different than
California, several languages spoken because no one apparently has the balls
to actually mostly PICK one,and every time I head up and talk to people in
Regina or Calgary they are asking if I can get them a job so they can move
down into where the real action takes place.[/QUOTE]

Well, they did pick one: French. Even in Saskatchewan (that's a
province, somehting you would call a "state") there are more speakers of
German and Hungarian than French. Nevertheless, French is a protected
language throughout Canada.

It's one of many alternate ways to run a country.

You keep complaining about California's politics, but you forget that if
one were to take California away from the US, what remains would be
pretty much like Canada, economically speaking.

 

Yes, but it's usually just referred to by its initials; the HFRWE party.