Stoner to HRC, done deal?

Discussion in 'Motorcycle Racing' started by PaulpULVITZKA, May 26, 2010.

  1. [I weep for Ducati unless they can get Rossi or Lorenzo in 2011]

    Stoner 'has already decided to go', fears Ducati

    As speculation over the MotoGP 2011 rider merry-go-round increasingly
    gathers pace, a well-informed Ducati Marlboro source concedes that
    2007 world champion Casey Stoner 'has already decided' to switch to
    Repsol Honda next year
    Casey Stoner 'has already decided' to leave Ducati Corse for Repsol
    Honda in MotoGP 2011, a well-informed insider from the Australian's
    current team has conceded – as his suitor admitted that it is also
    'interested' in regaining the services of Valentino Rossi.

    It was reported earlier this month that Stoner and Honda have all-but
    agreed terms for the 2007 MotoGP World Champion to switch camps for
    next season [see separate story – click here], and whilst Ducati
    itself has maintained its silence on the matter, a source within the
    Italian outfit has revealed to GPWeek that there is now no going back.

    “As far as Casey going to Honda next year, I think it's a done deal,”
    the 'highly-placed' team member stated. “I don't have any hard
    information and I don't want to go on the record, but it's just a gut
    feeling. I think he has already decided to go.”

    Chief amongst Stoner's motivations to join Honda is the presence there
    of former Ducati team manager Livio Suppo, who oversaw the 24-year-
    old's march to the crown three years ago in only his maiden campaign
    with the team and second in the premier class and has in 2010 moved to
    Honda in a marketing and managerial capacity.

    Another carrot is the opportunity to return the Japanese manufacturer
    to title glory for the first time since 2006, as well as the personal
    prospect of joining the elite group of just Rossi, Eddie Lawson and
    Geoff Duke to successfully claim the premier class championship with
    two different marques.

    Aside from an opportunistic victory for veteran Loris Capirossi in the
    wet/dry 2007 Japanese Grand Prix – the same event at which Stoner
    lifted the laurels – no other rider has triumphed for Ducati since the
    Queensland native joined the squad, during which time he has equalled
    the tally of 20 successes notched up over the same period by record-
    breaking multiple world champion Rossi, despite being sidelined by
    illness for some of last year, an episode that is believed to have
    created a degree of tension with title sponsor Marlboro.

    There have also reportedly been rather too many accidents for his
    employer's liking – including two in the first three races of 2010
    alone – and Honda has made little secret of its desire to secure the
    signature of the 27-time race-winner.

    Such an eventuality would mean one of the two present incumbents –
    Dani Pedrosa or the increasingly impressive Andrea Dovizioso – having
    to make way, with either Jorge Lorenzo or FIAT Yamaha team-mate Rossi
    looking to be in-line to replace Stoner at Ducati, despite Lin Jarvis'
    protestations that the objective is to retain both riders [see
    separate story – click here]. 'The Doctor' has similarly been
    mentioned in connection with Honda, although given the manner in which
    he left back at the end of 2003, a rapprochement does not appear
    likely.

    “We haven't drawn a programme for next year yet,” HRC vice-president
    Shuei Nakamoto told Italian sports newspaper La Gazzetta dello Sport.
    “Maybe we'll do it in July, but the four best riders have their
    contracts expiring so it's normal we are interested in all of them,
    Valentino too.

    “Because Honda is not content with podiums, we want to win, we've
    asked Colin Stoner (Casey Stoner's father and manager) if they would
    like to come with us. However, we absolutely didn't get into the
    details – like number of years or retainer – at all.”
     
    PaulpULVITZKA, May 26, 2010
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    pablo Guest

    There are a few source claiming it is a done deal. One has to wonder
    what HRC is thinking. Stoner's track recordindicates he is not any
    better than Pedrosa when it comes to bike development. More aggressive
    -yes. More methodical -no.
     
    pablo, May 27, 2010
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    Julian Bond Guest

    What makes you say that? He, his race engineer and Preziosi between them
    have developed a bike that he can ride extremely fast. Are you saying
    Stoner had no part to play in that? That his feedback isn't methodical?
     
    Julian Bond, May 27, 2010
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    Mark N Guest

    Have they? Really? What I recall is that Stoner arrived at Ducati as
    the new #2 rider when he was 21, 22 years old and hade one season in
    MotoGP, on a non-developmental satellite team. I seem to recall he
    missed a decent chunk of winter testing, yet he came out of the box
    winning 3 of the first 4 races, and the obvious advantages everyone
    saw were that the bike had superior power and superior tires to the
    other contenders on factory Hondas and Yamahas, and he rolled on to
    the championship. What we also saw was Capirossi struggling on that
    bike, and that continued in spades with Melandri in 2008 and Hayden
    last year, at least until later in the year.

    So I see nothing there which suggests Stoner really had much to do
    with the development of that bike, he landed on it and it worked for
    him right off and has continued to, but there's no evidence that his
    development work has benefitted anyone else at all, the only evidence
    of successful work on the bike by a rider and his team is Hayden. And
    when Stoner has problems, as he is now having, he seems quite clueless
    as to what they are.

    So it appears to me that nothing has changed with Stoner, it looks
    like he's just a guy who happened to land on a bike that works for
    him, and him only, and he's managed not to change that too much, good
    or bad. Because Ducati was already on Bridgestones when he got there,
    and Ducati was Bridgestone's best/only hope, the tires had been
    developed for their use, so he and his factory have not had to go
    through any adjustment relative to tires. But he's gone from 10 wins
    and the championship in '07 to 6 wins and second in '08 to 4 wins and
    4th in '09, to this year when he's not yet won, not yet been on the
    podium, and outside the top 10 in points. If he's been developing that
    bike it's not been successfully by all appearances...
     
    Mark N, May 27, 2010
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    Julian Bond Guest

    Why should it? And why does that mean that Stoner is having no input
    into the bike development? He's fast on it, isn't he?
     
    Julian Bond, May 27, 2010
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