Steering head bearing woe

Discussion in 'Classic Motorbikes' started by M J Carley, Aug 27, 2008.

  1. M J Carley

    M J Carley Guest

    I am fitting new steering head bearings to the 550/4. The lower shell
    has gone in fine but the top one just will not shift and still stands
    about 2mm proud of the headstock. I don't want to hammer it more than
    I have (using the old shell to cover it) but it has to be put in its
    place.

    Is there a magic puller type affair that will let me draw it into
    place?
     
    M J Carley, Aug 27, 2008
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    TOG@Toil Guest

    If you can get the shell out easily, put it in the deep freeze for
    about 20-30 minutes. Wrap rags around the headstock and pour boiling
    water over them: soak them properly. Then whip out the shell. The cold
    contracts the shell, and the heat expands the headstock, and then
    it'll go in *much* easier. I do this every time I fit new head races.

    Actually, I only fit them myself to smaller bikes these days. It's an
    arse-ache of a job and it's something I'm happy to pay my dealer to
    do, especially on things like the BMW, or bikes without a centre stand
    (which have to be hung from a ceiling beam).
     
    TOG@Toil, Aug 27, 2008
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    Cane Guest

    Take it to a garage before you break it, you numpty.
     
    Cane, Aug 27, 2008
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  4. now now.

    I use a threaded rod with inserts to pull cycle bearings into place. In my
    case, it's a 1/2" whitworth rod.

    For motorcycle ones, something a bit more meaty like 20mm might work better.

    The essence of it is having things to fit the bearing shells which make sure
    they pull parallel to the headstock and don't twist.
     
    Austin Shackles, Aug 27, 2008
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  5. M J Carley

    Beav Guest

    A magic amount of heat on the headstock will usually give just enough
    "looseness" to allow the bearing to get shoved in up to the spuds with
    little more help than that provided by a lump of wood.


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    Beav, Aug 27, 2008
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  6. M J Carley

    Beav Guest

    What you need sitting in the garage is an ABBA stand and a big bag of sand
    (or cement in my case).

    The ABBA lifts the bike at the swingarm pivot and a hefty weight on the
    pillion seat allows me to rock every bike I've used it on far enough to
    easily remove the front wheel.

    A bloody Godsend those stands.


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    Beav, Aug 27, 2008
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  7. I shall be replacing mine in the next few days; there's something wierd
    about bike steering that self-centres. No main stand either - I'll have to
    dig out the car axle stands again.
     
    Mungo \Two Sheds\ Toadfoot, Aug 27, 2008
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  8. "Up to the spuds"

    LOL
     
    Mungo \Two Sheds\ Toadfoot, Aug 27, 2008
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  9. M J Carley

    platypus Guest

    I tend to favour using an appropriately-sized socket for such things, rather
    than odd washers.
     
    platypus, Aug 27, 2008
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    Beav Guest

    If I want both ends stripped, what I do is get the bike on the lift, then
    ABBA it up, slip a strap over the back and attach the other end to the
    chassis of the lift. A couple of pumps on the lever and both wheels are off
    the lift and I can remove the "under the back wheel plate" to make for a
    piss easy re-fit.

    I *do* like that stand of yours though.

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    Beav, Aug 27, 2008
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  11. M J Carley

    Beav Guest

    Never less than :)


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    Beav, Aug 28, 2008
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    Lozzo Guest

    Thanks. I bought it from a firm in Norwich about 10 years ago, just
    after I got my Firestorm. I'd seen a ZX7R with no wheels sitting on one
    for about three weeks in Tinklers of Norwich, so I searched out who
    made them and bought mine direct. I think it cost me 90 quid with
    fittings to suit the Firestorm, and since then I've made or adapted
    fittings to suit a variety of bikes. Next project is to develop a
    universal cone fitting so I can use it on any bike without the need for
    specific fittings to be turned up.
     
    Lozzo, Aug 28, 2008
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  13. that works, mostly. I could easy enough knock up inserts if anyone wanted
    them, but the snag is that you need one for every type of bearing if you
    want 'em to really fit, or at least every size bearing. Luckily, the cycle
    ones are mostly only 2 sizes, although there are funny oversize ones for
    oversize alu frames now.
     
    Austin Shackles, Aug 28, 2008
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  14. M J Carley

    M J Carley Guest

    I am. They are quite different sizes and the lower one was a sloppy
    fit in the top of the headstock.
     
    M J Carley, Aug 28, 2008
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    TOG@Toil Guest

    Getting the front wheel out is no worry - I have a paddock stand for
    that. It slots into the bottom of the fork legs. But to do the head
    races, you have to remove the forks....
     
    TOG@Toil, Aug 28, 2008
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  16. M J Carley

    Lozzo Guest

    a little while ago I acquired one of those front paddock stands that
    slots into the hole under the bottom yoke, that's been quite useful on
    bikes I can't use my Bjorn Again stand on.
     
    Lozzo, Aug 28, 2008
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  17. The message <EYktk.121148$2>
    So do I.

    Currently rummaging for some suitable tubing innit.

    Incidentally, I've got a little oxy/turbogas welding set. WTF is
    Turbogas? (Goes to 3,600° C)
     
    Rusty Hinge 2, Aug 28, 2008
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    Beav Guest

    Sounds like a fucking excellent idea and also like a job for.... WUNderman.

    It's given me something to think about too, as the ABBA adapters aren't
    cheap enough to buy a set for all the different bikes. A cone system (or a
    stepped adapter) sounds just the ticket.

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    Beav, Aug 28, 2008
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  19. M J Carley

    Beav Guest

    I've got one of those "under headstock" paddocky type stands but it's a
    ball-ache to use in comparison to an ABBA or the one Loz has, plus it's
    "right there" under your nose when you're working on the wheel/
    calliper/mudguard/whatever. It's no use for headstock work though for the
    obvious reason.

    I love my lift and stand combo though, coz I can work at exactly the right
    height (sat on a swivel stool) for comfort and that's important for a
    spazzer like me.




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    Ace Guest

    And what's wrong with a beer crate and/or a couple of breeze blocks
    under the engine? Always worked for me.

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