Sta-Bil?? Winterization?

Discussion in 'Motorbike Technical Discussion' started by mike, Oct 19, 2010.

  1. mike

    mike Guest

    I bought an emergency generator..4-stroke gas.
    The seller recommended putting Sta-Bil in the gas
    'cause it'll be used rarely, if at all.

    Any downside to the stuff?

    Can/should I put it in the chainsaw/weedeater fuel-oil mix?

    I haven't been putting any additives into the
    83 Honda Shadow. Has those CV carbs with the
    rubber diaphragms. I'm afraid of anything
    that might eat them.

    And what about float bowls? Should they be
    drained? The gas will evaporate over the winter
    anyway and leave gunk????yes???

    So, what's the recommendation on storing gas-
    powered equipment.

    Thanks, mike
     
    mike, Oct 19, 2010
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  2. mike

    ` Guest

    You can go to the Sta-Bil website and look at the Material Safety Data
    Sheet for yourself, yannow...
     
    `, Oct 19, 2010
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  3. Do not use that sta-bil crap on any small eng. I have had much fewer
    problems since quiting its use. It may be fine for larger engs but I have
    seen so many problems on the smaller stuff its nuts. If you want to use
    something seafoam seems to work the best for storage or as I do it doubble
    strength first tank of the season and good to go. KB
     
    Kevin Bottorff, Oct 19, 2010
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  4. mike

    mike Guest

    Where do you get REAL gasoline?
    Everything here in Oregon seems to be ethanol mix.
     
    mike, Oct 19, 2010
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  5. mike

    mike Guest

    Thanks,
    I thought the MSDS was about toxicity.
    Wasn't aware that it included comments from people who'd
    actually used the stuff and
    who weren't trying to sell you the stuff.
    I'll check it out.
     
    mike, Oct 19, 2010
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  6. Kerosene????

    Oh, I suppose piston-engined aircraft still use 'proper' petrol. Good
    call, then.
     
    The Older Gentleman, Oct 19, 2010
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  7. mike

    ` Guest

    Sta-Bil is 95% Naphtha. It's had hydrogen gas bubbled through it to
    modifiy the molecule slightly and a red dye added to it.

    Gasoline is refined naphtha. Your carburetors are designed to contain
    gasoline 24/7/365.

    How could Naphtha possibly harm your carburetors?

    Read Section 10 for chemical reactivity and you'll learn not to mix
    Sta-Bil with battery acid or hydrogen peroxide or nitric acid...

    You weren't planning to do *that* were you?
     
    `, Oct 20, 2010
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  8. <Proud>
     
    The Older Gentleman, Oct 20, 2010
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  9. mike

    mred Guest

    I have used Stabil for over twenty years in my motorcycles and small
    engines for winterization

    I have had about 8 motorcycles in that time and several lawnmowers and
    whipper snippers .

    NOT ONCE ~!! have I had any problems with restart in the spring , and
    our winters are about 6-7 months long

    Small engines are particularly prone to carb gumming but I have never
    had a problem with them using Stabil.

    The secret is using FRESH gas for a fillup in the fall and adding the
    Stabil and running the machine for about ten minutes so that the
    Stabil gets through the carb.

    I have on occasion run the carbs dry on my bikes but most of the time
    I dont bother and here in Ontario Canada the layup season is about 6
    months long

    I repeat ::: I HAVE NEVER HAD A PROBLEM ON RESTART IN THE SPRING ON
    ANY OF MY EQUIPMENT.

    If you feel the recommended amount of Stabil is not enough you can
    safely add more as per the directions on the container
     
    mred, Oct 20, 2010
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  10. mike

    ` Guest

    That's what you said when asked to publicly admit you were gay.
     
    `, Oct 20, 2010
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  11. I always prefered to run the carb and tank dry
    and store the gasoline separately.

    Easy enough to keep a gallon of gas in reserve.
    Occasionally you dump the gallon into your car
    and refresh the storage can with new gas.

    Using this method, I never had trouble with
    my backup generator.
     
    Rob Kleinschmidt, Oct 20, 2010
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  12. Come to think of it, an even better option, if
    available, would be a propane conversion for
    the motor. Hook it up to a barbie tank and
    fuggedabowdit. Coleman used to offer this kit
    for its generators.
     
    Rob Kleinschmidt, Oct 21, 2010
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  13. mike

    S'mee Guest

    We've had this discussion before. Problem is there is no practical way
    to make a propane tank for a motorcycle and still have a usable
    motorcycle. They do it with scooters but they lose storage space in
    the cargo area. Now when they come up with a material that will let
    them shape a propae/lng tanks like on a normal motorcycle fuel
    tank...then we can talk until then no thanks I'd rather a closed loop
    steam turbine on a motorcycle. Oh and a dobler burners on it so you
    can leave sooner.
     
    S'mee, Oct 23, 2010
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  14. Agreed, but the OP was wondering about fuel for a stationary
    backup generator that gets run maybe once a year tops.

    A stationary, infrequently run engine is an ideal place to use
    propane, with possible caveats about how to handle the stuff
    in very cold weather. I did not suggest that he use propane as
    a motorcycle fuel.
     
    Rob Kleinschmidt, Oct 24, 2010
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  15. mike

    S'mee Guest

    they sell those brand new and there are weedwhackers that use the
    little coleman cyl. Heck even in outback montana they have them.
    4stroke even.
     
    S'mee, Oct 24, 2010
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  16. Didn't know that. Used to be you had to buy a
    kit and convert a motor. Way better than gasoline
    for some specific applications.

    In the case of a backup generator, I'd probably leave it
    gasoline capable as well, so I had a choice of fuels.
    Finding a working fueling station can be a major
    challenge after any large disaster.
     
    Rob Kleinschmidt, Oct 24, 2010
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  17. mike

    S'mee Guest

    Yep dual fuel conversion are out there and have been for a LOOOONG
    time. Since at least the early 70's that I recall.
     
    S'mee, Oct 24, 2010
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