Sprockets & Torque & Cruising Speed & MPG & Chains

Not stupid at all you ignorant ****. The trail section of the dual
sprocket required a small additional length of chain and that was how
you changed it from street to trail use, you added the fucking small
extra length you dodo. Now whether or not that agrees with your
twisted, screwed mind, I could care less. Why don't you just go crawl
off into a corner and die and do the world a favor.

No frothing at the mouth, just wondering why your parents didn't abort
an imbecile and piece of human shit like yourself. No definition was
made. The oinly thing wrong was TOG's inability to understand the
English language. He says he's a big expert but is actually nothing
but a total asshead masquerading as someone who has half a brain.
Just a pathetic of bastard at best....


Bill

 

He probably will never get it. His head's too full of monkey shit to
have room to absorb anything elswe. Just another old dumbass Limey
prick acting like he really matters. A sad and pathetic old washed up
wrinkly geezer who probably looks at 8x10 photos of English Bulldogs
and masturbates. HAHAHAHAHA

 

Thanks for the intelligent treatise on gearing. It's refreshing to
see a post that not just volumes of hot air blowing across my computer
monitor.

Bill

 

That's absurd. � � � � � � � � � � � � � � �

 

And your incessant bitching about it is just as pointless as the original
spew.
It is what it IS. Take it or leave it.
Nothing you do will make the situation any better. Don't ADD to the noise.

PS Trim your quotes, please. Re-spewing isn't good either !!

 

An engine will produce the amount of power it produces. If it's been
dyno'd at (say) 20bhp max, then that maximum power output will not be
changed by gearing.

Good gearing will allow best use to be made of that power, sure, and
incorrect gearing will have exactly the opposite effect (as Bill
Miller is likely to discover), but you don't change an engine's power
output by shoving a different gear cluster behind it.

 

Ah, like: "I never said anything about two master links?"

Ri-i-ght.

 

Thus spake Hans-Christian Becker () unto the assembled multitudes:

In other words, the power at the wheel is not the same as that at the
crankshaft...

 

Who *gives* a dead rat's ass about inaccurate statements or omissions
and all this "b-b-b-but *you* said bla bla" crap?

 

He likes doing it.

 

True. You win an all day sucker, so go *suck it*.

 

Thus spake Mark Olson () unto the assembled multitudes:

Perhaps I phrased it badly. The power at the crankshaft is constant at a
given RPM no matter what lies between it and the back wheel, and the
frictional losses in the gear train and transmission contribute to the
reduction in power at the back wheel, not the gear ratioing as such. I'm
pretty sure that's what TOG was getting at too.

 

Effectively, yes. There are other issues, like at a given rpm in a low
gear, you probably won't have the throttle open so much as you might
in a higher gear at the same road rpm, and so the engine will be
putting out less power, but the fact remains that you can't change an
engine's potential, maximum or whatever horsepower by a gearing
change. Torque is another matter.

If getting more power out of an engine was simply a matter of gearing,
then tuners would not exist.

 

You, evidently. Oh, and Bill, of course. )

Look, it's the same old story. Bill is given the answers he seeks,
which aren't the answers he *wants*, and goes postal.

He's been told (including by you) that any drastic gearing-up changes
are a bad idea, given that (as you pointed out) a TW200 doesn't have
much power to begin with. But he won't take that. He goes postal.

<Thinks> Didn't we have some similar fantasist here, a while back,
going on about how raising the gearing of his (very) old Honda CB350
would make it do 120mph? This is similar.

He's told that shoving a second master link in a drive chain is a bad
idea (which it is), and again he goes postal.

And he hasn't even got the bike anyway. He's told that leaving it
until he actually gets and rides it in stock trim is the best option.
And... he goes postal.

It's funny, really.

 

An engine produces no more power than that which is necessary to equal
the applied load, which may be no more than pumping air in and exhaust
out and ovwercoming internal friction, if the engine isn't connected
to an external load.

A chassis dyno simulates aerodynamic drag and rolling resistance. The
engine must produce enough thrust at the tire contact patch to
overcome the simulated load.

If the load opposing the thrust exceeds the thrust, the engine will
not reach the RPM at which the thrust is maximum and the maximum power
output will NOT be achieved.

 

Yeah, it's about as funny as debating with a 12-year old.

Whatever gets you off...

 

If the load opposing the thrust exceeds the thrust, the bike would go
backwards.

 

Or to put it another way, all engines reach a point when load and thrust
are balanced. And they stop accelerating.

But you still can't change an engine's potential maximum power output by
gearing.

 

incessant bitching about it is just as pointless as the original
spew. It is what it IS.  Take it or leave it.


Hmm, one of those who just rolls over and accepts things, no matter
how negative and uses the shopworn phrase "It is what it IS, take it
or leave it." Are you also the kinda guy who'll grab his ankles just
because someone offers to kiss you first? Develop some spine WHO ME
and then maybe you'll know WHO YOU ARE.

Bill

 

Actually, you haven't said anything in this entire thread worth two
farthings pus brain. Give it up, crawl back into your corner, put on
the dunce cap and be a good goney.

Ri-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-ght!