Spark Plug query

Discussion in 'Motorbike Technical Discussion' started by Chris N Deuchar, Mar 2, 2006.

  1. The GS takes 4x B8ES plugs. When I bought a set recently they were
    labelled BR8ES and when I queried this I was told they that the R
    stood for 'resistor' and that I should just unscrew it from the end.
    The 'It' that was indicated was the aluminium (?) 'nipple' that always
    used to be on plugs used in different vehicles which one either kept
    or threw away depending on ones plug lead types. No way is this a
    resistor!

    When I queried what the 'resistor' was for I was told that it was to
    compensate (?) for the carbon fibre plug leads that are now commonly
    used instead of copper and affected plug current and therefore timing.

    Being an electronic engineer I know at least some of the foregoing is
    hogwash - but am not sure how much is true of the plug architecture.
    *Is* there perhaps an internal resistor on 'R' types or what?

    Does it matter on the GS?
    For further, but irrelevant here, info on this plug change (and
    application for OMF number) see later message in UKRM. :)

    Chris D
     
    Chris N Deuchar, Mar 2, 2006
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  2. BP8ES sounds like an NGK plug. The "R" would mean resistor.
    Most likely you already have the appropriate resistance in
    the wire/cap assemblys.

    You generally have a hard time buying non-resistor plugs at an
    auto parts store but they should be readily available at any
    motorcycle shop.

    If you're really stuck with an autoparts store, ask them to cross-match
    the NGK number. My local autozone was able to cross-match the NGK
    number to Nippon-Denso and one other make of plug which they had in
    stock.

    If it''s really such a PITA, buy some extras on-line ahead of time.
     
    Rob Kleinschmidt, Mar 2, 2006
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  3. Dont buy champs they suck bad. For bikes.
     
    ROBERT MILLER, Mar 7, 2006
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  4. Agreed - always had trouble for about 40 years...
    :)

    Thanks to all contributions so far. The nett result is that bike seems
    fine with new plugs - whether or not there is another resistor in the
    plug lead already. I suspect not.

    Cheers

    Chris D
     
    Chris N Deuchar, Mar 7, 2006
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  5. Chris N Deuchar

    FB Guest

    Interesting information, which is may not be applicable to most
    motorcycles, unless they are equipped with a radio from the factory. Do
    Gold Wings have shielded wires?

    Automobiles constructed of metal wouldn't need shielded ignition wires
    but the last time I looked, Corvettes had shielded ignition systems.
     
    FB, Mar 7, 2006
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  6. Yes they do...............
    ????????????????????????

    Make it simple; shielding and resistor plugs keeps form messing up grannys
    tv. Or pappys radio.. lol
    Ever hear a wine come thru your radio in a car. And hear it change when you
    rev it up. alternator noise. so called.
    In the time of less cable. people would snow on thier tele. (RFI) is another
    form of polution. So we have shielding and resistor plugs.. etc.... Just
    like ilegal CB's coming over everything. lol

    More Info
    http://www.nightrider.com/biketech/spkplghnbook.htm#Today's

    http://www.ngkntk.co.uk/technicaltips/resistorplugs.asp

    http://www.championsparkplugs.com/sparkplug411.asp?
    kw=Resistor&mfid=2

    http://www.bosch.com.au/content/language1/html/2265.htm

    Hope this clears thing for you, and helps
    Be Safe.
     
    ROBERT MILLER, Mar 7, 2006
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  7. Chris N Deuchar

    FB Guest

    There's an RFI capacitor on my truck's alternator, but there is no
    capacitor on my motorcycles' excited field alternators.
     
    FB, Mar 7, 2006
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  8. Chris N Deuchar

    John Johnson Guest

    It's easy to think that an automobile will act as a Faraday cage and
    trap any emitted RF inside of it, particularly given that radio
    reception is hindered by the vehicle. However, an automobile is not a
    perfect Faraday cage (after all, you can use you cell phone inside the
    car, and the engine compartment is open on the bottom!), and high
    voltage equipment like ignition systems put out junk that's pretty hard
    to shield against once it's emitted.

    Furthermore, while older automobiles wouldn't have been affected by the
    EMI, more modern ones have all sorts of computer/electronic equipment
    (fuel injection, ABS, electronic speedometer and other instruments,
    etc.) that is sensitive to EMI. None of that stuff is cheap, and failure
    is problematic for both the vehicle and individuals in the vicinity.

    There was recently a discussion on a web forum that I read about
    allowing cell-phone use on aircraft. Lots of people just don't seem to
    understand the potential for interference with electronic equipment or
    the costs involved in preventing such interference in an environment
    full of transmitters. It's far cheaper and easier to simply prevent the
    transmissions in the first place.

    --
    Later,
    John



    'indiana' is a 'nolnn' and 'hoosier' is a 'solkk'. Indiana doesn't solkk.
     
    John Johnson, Mar 7, 2006
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