Son down (mildly)

Discussion in 'UK Motorcycles' started by The Older Gentleman, Feb 25, 2008.

  1. The Older Gentleman

    T i m Guest

    Ah, ok, and that could also be down to how heavy your right foot is
    (and what else it's used to)?

    Like when I get out of my old 218SD Rover and get into Dad's Meriva
    I'm initially pulling up way too sharply!

    With the RT, stick 150kg of trailer on the back and it becomes less
    adequate (safe but much harder work) and certainly in comparison to
    the same thing on the back of her XV750.

    All the best ..

    T i m


    p.s. Quite looking forward to getting the CB 'Two Fifty' back on the
    road .. not ridden something that feels 'revvy' for a while (or ever
    really).
     
    T i m, Feb 27, 2008
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  2. The Older Gentleman

    platypus Guest

    To be fair, I've never towed a trailer on a solo motorcycle. I imagine BMW
    intended the back brake to be nicely balanced for operation with loads
    ranging from rider only up to rider and pillion plus luggage. Adding 150kg
    is effectively the same as two more pillions - no wonder the poor thing is
    struggling.
     
    platypus, Feb 27, 2008
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  3. The Older Gentleman

    T i m Guest

    Hmm. So, would you describe all the other bikes that have better[1]
    rear brakes as 'unbalanced'?
    Well, the case with the trailer maybe yes (other than the XV750
    dealing with it ok) but it's still not 'good' without the trailer
    (from my pov anyway).

    Anyroadup, as I mentioned previously the 900 Divvy I borrowed from the
    local bike shop for a week (with the idea of one replacing the RT and
    also had a very good rear brake) went back hardly ridden because it
    had no character, so the old girl stays. ;-)

    All the best ..

    T i m
     
    T i m, Feb 28, 2008
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  4. The Older Gentleman

    platypus Guest

    Normally, you don't need a monstrously powerful rear brake, because you'll
    either be using the front on its own, or both brakes together. Also, it's a
    single-leading-shoe drum. If it was TLS, it would be great going forward,
    and almost entirely ineffective going backwards. It's a compromise. It
    wasn't designed to stop a trailer.
    Cruisers tend to see harder rear brake use anyway. On my Drifter, I got
    through rear pads faster than fronts. Do you actually use your fronts much
    on the RT, or is there a recommended trailer technique?
    The Divvy has a disc rear.
     
    platypus, Feb 28, 2008
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  5. The Older Gentleman

    ottguit Guest

    With ABS if you're coming down a slippery slope, you've got No brakes
    unless you can switch it off like BMW.
    I've just gotten a car with ABS which I hate, It'll sail thru an
    intersection, refusing traction rather than trying to find some, we
    have serious winter here(Canada).
    I feel safer and stop better in my car that doesn't have ABS.
    bg
     
    ottguit, Feb 28, 2008
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  6. The Older Gentleman

    Ace Guest

    On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 06:31:27 -0800 (PST), in
    What rubbish. Perhaps you'd care to explain why you believe that you
    have 'No brakes'?
    You're clearly not a very good driver then. If the ABS isn't going to
    be able to stop you, you're not going to be able to stop it manually
    either, so you need a better understanding of available grip and
    appropriate speeds.
    I drive in snowy conditions for much of the winter (here in
    Switzerland, as well as several weeks in BC/Alberta in recent years)
    and can state most assuredly that ABS works very well indeed on
    slippery surfaces, especially when combined with 4wd and traction
    control.

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    Ace, Feb 28, 2008
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  7. The Older Gentleman

    ottguit Guest

    I can only speak from my experience this winter, deep snow is OK
    there's traction, but on Slush there's none and the ABS vehicle just
    won't stop till it's ready.
    Same if you're off road coming down a muddy slope.

    Without ABS I can feel or look for traction .
    If I'm on a road that's Iced up (Black Ice), in my non ABS car I can
    drive with one side of the car on the Ice and put 2 wheels in the snow
    on the shoulder and get some traction, but that doesn't happen with my
    ABS Honda, I have to get All wheels in the snow to stop.

    I haven't had any issues with winter driving in Canada in 30 years,
    until this ABS equiped rig. Ther's a reason the BMW Bike have an ABS
    off-switch for coming donw hills when off-road etc.
    Bg
     
    ottguit, Feb 28, 2008
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  8. The Older Gentleman

    Hog Guest

    Canada, like America without any of the benefits and added French cunts.
     
    Hog, Feb 28, 2008
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  9. The Older Gentleman

    Ace Guest

    Absolutely. No (or not too many) americans, for a start. And they
    actually have a clue about food as well.
    Not sure what's wrong wiv 'em anyway, TBH.

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    Ace, Feb 28, 2008
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  10. The Older Gentleman

    Ace Guest

    But the real frogs regard them as inferior in a big way. I remember
    being in a (real) French restaurant in Montreal one time, where the
    waiter assumed from my accent (speaking French to him, of course) that
    I was local, and gave me the snooty treatment the North Americans seem
    to think is typical of the French. Then he told me the wine I'd
    ordered was unavailable and recommended another one of a similar type,
    only to be utterly flabbergasted when I said I'd ridden through the
    village it came from on my way to or from one of our ukrm trips.

    Once he found I actually lived here, his manner changed completely
    into a much more friendly mode, much to the annoyance of other
    Canadians sitting nearby :)

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    Ace, Feb 28, 2008
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  11. The Older Gentleman

    Hog Guest

    I've spent more time there and have more rellies than you I assume then!

    Backwards socialist pseudo bhal cunts, every last elk of them, well until it
    comes to forest destruction.

    BC is breathtakingly gorgeous though.
     
    Hog, Feb 28, 2008
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  12. The Older Gentleman

    Hog Guest

    Well at least the Eskimos slap them down when they get stroppy.
     
    Hog, Feb 28, 2008
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  13. The Older Gentleman

    Hog Guest

    That's actually rather good ;o)
     
    Hog, Feb 28, 2008
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  14. The Older Gentleman

    Hog Guest

    That got a chuckle out of me.
    It's out of date though. The English became good chefs and shit policemen.
     
    Hog, Feb 28, 2008
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  15. The Older Gentleman

    dog Guest

    for english values of good.

    sir jamie, you are hereby accused of using taxpayers' money to plug your
    crappy foodmixing product during primetime when the slobbering tv-slaves
    are not yet completely binge-plastered and may be able to locate their
    ripoff credit cards. how do you plead?
     
    dog, Feb 28, 2008
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  16. The Older Gentleman

    Hog Guest

    Who?
    Rick Stein is more my kind of food.
     
    Hog, Feb 28, 2008
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  17. The Older Gentleman

    Tim Guest

    Indeed BC is wonderful. I can vouch for the Yukon too.
     
    Tim, Feb 28, 2008
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  18. The Older Gentleman

    Eiron Guest

    I thought an R90 used Bings from Germany.
     
    Eiron, Feb 28, 2008
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  19. The S used gurt great 36mm pumper Dell' Ortos. Same as on the early
    Guzzi Le Mans.
     
    The Older Gentleman, Feb 28, 2008
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  20. The Older Gentleman

    ottguit Guest

    Heh, I'm Canuck, and I like that :)
    Bg
     
    ottguit, Feb 28, 2008
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