Son down (mildly)

Indeed. Even "tobacco tin" brakes will easily induce a stick in the
wheel effect on ice. DAMHIKIJD. GWS TOG junior.


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That's what I've found with ABS.

It does give you the confidence to find out how much more grip you
actually have than you think you have.

 

I agree. I can't remember the number of offs I had had by the time I
was about 20. My GS550E crashed best.

Agreed. Fall off, get back on again, repeat until experience wins the
day.

 

Clumsy fucker. At least he's been initiated.

 

Oh I disagree. Riding off road is the best practice!
On road ABS is an great thing. You rarely if ever need it but when your
attention is diverted for a moment, the road is wet and something unexpected
happens, and you grab an instant handful of lever, ABS rocks.

 

To be honest I don't like the idea of abs on a bike.

 

Why not?

 

Looks at .sig... nor me.

 

Dunno really, I just don't like the idea. Prolly the over confidence
thing, but it's not for me.

 

Your K1100LT had ABS.

Trust me it's an excellent thing. Any time you are wondering "how slippy is
this" get it upright and keep squeezing. Usually amazing how much you can
apply if done progressively. It also really shown up the difference in
lockup point between grabbing a panic handful and controlled application.

I'm sure it has no place on a sprotbike but on a big laden fast tourer it
does rock.

Ducati do an advanced ABS for the late ST4S/ST3 which is sport oriented and
allows 1G plus braking before lock up, so it doesn't intervene except in the
most severe circumstances. Said panic measures etc.
BMW OTOH do a full servo assisted linked ABS braking system on their newer
bikes. It is HORRID.

 

David has that on his R1150R, and you're right, it's nasty.

 

I rode his in Montmort Lucy IIRC and it was indeed. Then tried an R1150RS
from Hursts and a K1200 variant. Just as bad. Apparently it got better but
it seems like needless technology. The ABS2 on the 1100LT with the Brembo 4
pots up front is as good as Touring bike brakes get and better than the
standard GSXR1000K1/2 by far.

 

I've ridden it a few times, and got to the stage where I just stopped
bothering with it. He's used to it, but he's had it for nearly seven years
now. I like the oilheads, but I'd have to go for an 1100 if I was going to
get one.

 

Silly boy. Glad he's ok.

 

Always best to learn slowly on a cheap machine.

Send him GWS.

I blame the hair... or the parents

 

The early 1150s have ABS2. IIRC the horrid servo assisted system that tried
to kill Timo didn't come along until 2002.

My W reg 1150 has ABS2. Currently not working, awaiting a tuit to take it
to Bristol or Stroud to plug it into the diagnostic gizmo. Could be a £60
sensor or a £1200 ABS servo unit[1]

I've done about 3000 miles without the ABS working. Can't say I've missed
it. I don't even notice the red warning lights any more.


[1] aka the "no fucking chance am I buying that" unit

 

David's bike was new in 2001 - he had it on the first Caudebec run.

This is something that irks me - bikes with hugely expensive extras to go
wrong, especially when it's shit like Evo brakes. If I ever get another
BMW, it'll probably be an R100/7.

 

Better than OEM brakes on the CBX, then.

 

On Wed, 27 Feb 2008 00:40:56 GMT, "platypus"

snip>

Judging by the prices that older (25 years old or more) boxers are
going for a lot of people agree with you.

I'd still like a half decent R100RS but they're fetching stupid money
and even a rough R90S is way out of my price band for a winter hack.

 

That'll be, like, on a Y-plate, right? Like my RT...[1]. Actually the
one on the RT is different to the one on the GS - it was the GS that
switched off its rear brake servo...

In contrast to what a lot of people here (and the usual suspect journos)
say, I don't find the linked servo brakes on the RT too bad. But then
I've never been bothered too much by linked brakes after having a Guzzi
with them, but I agree that the rear brake actuation could've done with
a bit of fine tuning. I think the description I read on the boxer forum
once sums it up nicely - it's like dropping an anchor...

Oh joy. I'm sure there are cheaper second hand ones around btw.

I've rarely had the ABS cut in on my BMWs - in fact I can only remember
one occurrence in the past few years. And I was bloody glad it worked
then on a greasy road, otherwise I'd have ended up either on the side or
in the side of the ambulance that shot out behind a lorry...