Some more motorcyclist Activist Stuff - Victorian Issues

Discussion in 'Australian Motorcycles' started by Martin Taylor, Oct 10, 2003.

  1. Below is a letter that I've emailed to whoever I can think of, who may
    or may not take any notice of. It concerns the speed camera campaign
    here in Victoria, the reduction in the road toll and who/what is
    responsible for this.

    Feel free to pick the shit out of it, to use it in your letter writing
    campaigns, or whatever.

    ---------[start of original letter]-------------

    The government is somewhat loose with the truth, it appears. It was
    represented on television on Wed, 8th Oct and again on ABC Radio's Jon
    Faine's program (Fri, 10th Oct) crediting speed cameras for the
    reduction in the road toll while trying to defend the massive take in
    revenue.

    Figures to date suggest that more people than ever are being pinged for
    speeding. And that projected revenues are set to increase. How then, can
    the government claim that the speed camera program is a success in terms
    of road safety, if the numbers of people speeding haven't changed?

    If anyone cares to examine the statistics, they'd discover that
    driver/passenger fatalities have barely shifted from last year. The
    reduction comes from lower motorcyclist and pedestrian fatalities.

    Motorcyclists represent about 2 percent of all traffic. It's hard to
    imagine then, that speed cameras have had that much of an impact on the
    road toll, given the low representation of riders on the roads. The
    government claims that riders are evading speed cameras because they
    don't have front number plates. It then infers from this that riders
    speed with impunity. Why then, isn't this reflected in the road toll,
    where to date, 30% less riders have been killed compared to last year?
    And this is in a year where motorcycle sales have boomed.

    The government may claim that the $50 TAC levy is justified, because the
    motorcyclist toll is down. But to date, not one cent of that forced
    discriminatory levy has been spent on motorcycle road safety.

    It's probably much to the chagrin of the government and road safety
    authorities that there is a road user group which is making itself safer
    without any input at all from the taxpayer funded bodies who are
    supposed to oversee road safety improvements.
     
    Martin Taylor, Oct 10, 2003
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    Interesting read that.

    The bugger is it won't work here in Tassie. We've got a ridiculous
    bike fatality rate here this year... another guy died a few days ago.
    I don't know of anyone who can give me a good reason for it. Even
    taking statistical aberrations into account it is crazy. I can't find
    the specifics at the moment but we are way up on last year, and way
    over-represented in the stats ....

    Hopefully that means there will be zero bike deaths next year ...

    Cheers



    -------------
    Kevin Gleeson
    Technical Director
    Blue Rocket Productions
    Hobart, Tasmania, Australia
    www.blue-rocket.com.au
     
    Kevin Gleeson, Oct 10, 2003
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  3. Martin Taylor

    kiwipete Guest

    Interesting stuff... here in unzud the government raised the ACC levies for
    bikes... they ACC is the government funded accident compo corporation...
    over here you don't sue for damages ala Aussie third party... your compo
    gets paid automatically regardless of blame...

    The result is that motorcycle rego is about 20% higher than cars... and the
    justification was that bikes are a higher risk... of course they didn't take
    into account that many or even most bike accidents here involve a car and
    are the fault of the driver not the rider... so the extra payment is
    unfair...

    Good luck!

    kiwipete
     
    kiwipete, Oct 10, 2003
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  4. Martin Taylor

    Zekt Guest

    Haven't these people in the government noticed the the subcontractors
    they pay to put the speed cameras out set up the speed cameras to
    take photos from the rear? That's right, you don't notice much when
    you a cheffeured eh?
    In fact better than that. If you check the draw TAC figures, we, and
    pedestrians are responsible for 95% of the reduction in the road toll.
    They should be paying US $50 for that I reckon!
    And how to they wish to spend it, on ad campaigns, studies and radars
    (see the note on the MRA website about it). None of these are saftey
    things. Do people base car saftey buying decisions on advertising,
    studies and how well the car shows up on a radar... no.. doesn't add
    up. Does driver training help reduce accidents... provably (which is
    why some insurance companies are offering discounts for those with
    training courses). So here's a dumb question. Why isn't the TAC
    offering exemption from the levy for accredited riders (eg: if you
    have gone and done all the courses to a certain level, you are exempt?).
    Or better still rather than try the carrot and stick approach, try
    'the $50 you pay a year is redeemable on driver rider training courses'.

    - Jase
     
    Zekt, Oct 10, 2003
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  5. Martin Taylor

    Uglytim Guest

    The mags have been advertising Tassie for Riding holidays and I think more main land riders are going over for a look see. It would
    be interesting to see if they are locals or furriners going down for the count.

    Or it could as you say be statistically a bad patch.

    Statistics.......
    It really is amazing how often coincidences don't happen....

    UT
     
    Uglytim, Oct 10, 2003
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  6. Mostly locals actually, and there doesn't seem to be a definite age
    group either. None of it seems to make sense...

    A bloody orrible one at the moment.

    Cheers


    -------------
    Kevin Gleeson
    Technical Director
    Blue Rocket Productions
    Hobart, Tasmania, Australia
    www.blue-rocket.com.au
     
    Kevin Gleeson, Oct 11, 2003
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  7. Martin Taylor

    Smee Guest

    You guys have had more rain this year as u were in drought conditions
    before.
    Could it be the weather conditions?
     
    Smee, Oct 11, 2003
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  8. Possibly. I know at least one guy died in the rain, but I don't really
    think it was the main cause.

    Don't know enough about the weather conditions for the other ones, but
    somehow I doubt it. We may be getting more rain, but it is still
    fairly dry here (despite most northern islanders perception of Tas).

    Cheers



    -------------
    Kevin Gleeson
    Technical Director
    Blue Rocket Productions
    Hobart, Tasmania, Australia
    www.blue-rocket.com.au
     
    Kevin Gleeson, Oct 11, 2003
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  9. Martin Taylor

    conehead Guest

    There's a lot of oil accumulations on the roads. Because no vehicle ever
    has to pass a roadworthy test as long as it is in registration, there's a
    lot of shitheaps wobbling around oozing oil. The oil accumulates then when
    a bump is hit, it drops onto the road. When the road is damp, you can't see
    it, and it's like ice. It's possible that some of the crashes are due to
    that.

    It could also just be a blip in the statistics, as Kev suggests - there have
    been plenty of ATV deaths which are lumped in with bike deaths, and
    dirt-bike deaths that are included in the road toll (it seems).
     
    conehead, Oct 11, 2003
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  10. Martin Taylor

    Conrad Guest


    Here is a link to a recent and interesting report from the Association
    of British Drivers "Speed Camera Policy Responsible For 5500 Deaths"
    says the ABD. (http://www.abd.org.uk/pr/376.htm)

    An extract from the report is "ABD Chairman, Brian Gregory commented
    "This makes me so sad and angry. We have been warning for years that
    speed cameras make the roads more dangerous. How many more will have
    to die before we return to traditional and proven road safety values
    based on skills, individual responsibility and consideration? This
    speed camera madness must end right now""

    Cheers
    Conrad
     
    Conrad, Oct 11, 2003
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