SOB Tax?

Ordinary diesel engines run just fine on biodiesel - just a lot cleaner.

If anything, it'll save money longterm.

 

I *think* a lot of London's buses run on that. I used to think it was
LPG when you could see the vapour condensing on the road but it still
smells like diesel.

I don't think long term is in their game plan. If it was, all those
buses that look like they come from Cliff Richard films would be gone by
now.

 

In

*DING*

--
Steve Parry

http://www.gwynfryn.co.uk

http://www.arrivedeprived.org.uk/

K100RS SE
F650
(not forgetting the SK90PY)

 

In

Look the UK rarely does anything "longterm" ... here "longterm"
translates as "within this term of office"

--
Steve Parry

http://www.gwynfryn.co.uk

http://www.arrivedeprived.org.uk/

K100RS SE
F650
(not forgetting the SK90PY)

 

Actually, biodiesel really isn't any cleaner than dino diesel.

The problem with biodiesel is that there is (as yet) no standard for
it, so some might be good and some might be utter shite. In a modern
common rail electronically-controlled engine, you must have a fuel that
meets certain density and - crucially - lubricity criteria. Lubricity,
because the special fuel pumps used in CR engines need it.

In terms of CO output and, believe it or not, particulate emissions, a
modern truck engine equipped with a catalytic converter and
continuously recirculating trap (CRT) is about the cleanest engine
around. It even has lower particulate emissions that gas-powered
engines. Honest.

This came as an embarrassment to Safeway a few years ago when they
proudly trumpeted their gas-powered delivery artics (re-engineered
Scanias), and the first CR/CAT/CRT truck engines appeared at about the
same time and were actually cleaner.

On the other hand, the nastiest engines around are ShiteOldDiesels,
which aren't fitted with CRTs. They're seriously polluting. But modern
diesels are incredibly clean.

 

they might be running CNG/diesel. You have to run some diesel to light the
fire, unlike with a spark ignition engine. You can do LPG/diesel or
CNG/diesel, for some reason the heavy engine lot seem to be preferring CNG.

ah well, now, that's an interesting point - all the routemasters still in
service have been re-engined with new Iveco power plants, in place of the
old AEC/Leyland engines. Sadly, they don;t now go "boggler-boggler-boggler"
at idle like they used to - the old AEC engines used to idle at about 150
rpm or something silly, you could almost count the bangs.

 

Isn't Oxford St buses, taxis and cycles *only*?
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So when do they start fitting them to cars? I've been (almost litteraly)
stunned at some of the smoke coming out of nearly new 4x4 diesels recently

At least I really hope they were diesels.
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I'm not saying I don't believe you because I know bugger all about buses
except the drivers are breed unto themselves but the ones in London I've
seen still belch black smoke and they all (to me) sound "boggler-
boggler" so why bother changing them? They seem, to the untrained eye,
to be worse than anything else I can imagine. Sure, I've seen smokey
buses, but they were owned by hippies and gypos. These are owned by a
public transport company.

 

Well, the Fuglypla has common rail and cat, dunno about the cathode ray
tube.

 

well, it may not in fact be "all". However, all the ones I saw last time I
were up the smoke had been.

they're probably exempt from smoke tests or something...

 

So they won't be charging the individual to replace lost or stolen
licenses then. Yeah, sure.

 

It was somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember Whinging Courier

If it was biodiesel you'd know it. The zorst smells like the back of a
bakery making doughnuts. Nothing like ordinary diesel stink.


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Dave

GS 850 x2 / SE 6a / Two Biodiesel Burners
SbS#6 DIAABTCOD#16 APOSTLE#6 FUB#3
FUB KotL OSOS#12? UKRMMA#19 COSOC#10

 

It was somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember TOG@toil,

It's a fair bit cleaner on most emission tests.

There's a Yank and a German standard for it now, which will probably be
the EU standard.

True. This will always be the case for backyard producers; except those
ones who take a little extra trouble in the making process. It strikes
me as daft, the lazy cunts who can't be arsed to wash it and just bung
it straight into the tank. Sure, some of them claim to have run tens of
thousands of miles on it, but given that the same engines and fuel pumps
can reasonably be expected to have a road life measured in the hundreds
of thousands when run on dino diesel, it strikes me as short sighted to
risk a very expensive fuel system on unwashed fuel.

Must get on with more batches of it...


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Dave

GS 850 x2 / SE 6a
SbS#6 DIAABTCOD#16 APOSTLE#6 FUB#3
FUB KotL OSOS#12? UKRMMA#19 COSOC#10

 

Yebbut, option 4 is the DVLA's "preferred option" so, having duly
consulted with everyone, the'll go ahead and do that one anyway. The
latest Federation of British Historic Vehicle Clubs newsletter came
today and that expounds further on this subject. I expect there will
be something on the FBHVC wibble site about it -
http://www.fbhvc.co.uk/ - but I haven't looked.

The FBHVC is getting up a petition about it. Are any of you coming to
the Copdock Show [1] tomorrow? If so come along and gasp in awe at
our fine collection of SHiteOldMopeds on the NACC[5] stand, say hello
and sign the petition.

Oh... and should you feel the urge to... you could buy a copy of my
book [2] too.


[1] Which, of course, is not at Copdock [3][4]
[2] http://www.stinkwheel.ukfsn.org.uk/
[3] but you knew that anyway [6]
[4] It's at the Suffolk Showground
[5] National Autocycle & Cyclemotor Club [3]
[6] didn't you?