So, is Vince out of a job?

Discussion in 'UK Motorcycles' started by ginge, Dec 21, 2010.

  1. "Just one more heave, lads."
     
    Grimly Curmudgeon, Dec 30, 2010
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  2. It wasn't my fault - he made me do it.

    For ****'s sake. Get a fucking grip. If all you cunts on commission
    weren't so fucking greedy and short-sighted, we might now be sitting on
    holiday in the Bahamas instead of huddling round a single candle.
     
    Grimly Curmudgeon, Dec 30, 2010
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  3. ginge

    Krusty Guest

    A sub-prime borrower speaks - "it wasn't my fault - he made me do it".
    I'm not on commission.
    Their job is to make as much money as possible for their investors. You
    do that by taking risks. If you want to reduce the level of risk, you
    have to change the regulations. You seem to think they should've just
    decided to not do their job as well as they could, which is a great way
    to make sure you don't keep that job for long.
     
    Krusty, Dec 31, 2010
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    M J Carley Guest

    I was thinking of the businesses that took pension holidays and
    stopped paying contributions to their employees' funds, only to ruin
    the pension schemes when things got tight, by closing final salary
    schemes, for example. There seem to be companies which believe that
    the pension scheme is working capital.

    For example, Unilever were profitable when they did this:

    Unilever, the maker of Wall's ice cream and Persil enjoyed seven
    years of pension holidays. It not only saved millions of pounds but
    in 1999 also swiped the fund's 270m "surplus", adding it to
    Unilever's profits. Since 1992 it has stripped 1.2bn from its fund
    and about two thirds, 726m, was handed back to shareholders in the
    form of higher profits and bigger dividends. Bitter? Unilever
    pensioners certainly are. They have run a long-term campaign for the
    money to be used to boost their pensions rather than directors'
    salaries, but without success.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/money/2004/jul/10/pensions.jobsandmoney
     
    M J Carley, Dec 31, 2010
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  5. ginge

    ginge Guest

    I've done nothing of the sort, I simply sell my time to an
    organisation willing to pay me a decent going rate for it. Nothing
    more, nothing less... no bigger picture. I'm one of a few hundred
    thousand worker bees making the best of a situation at any given time.
    Life is imperfect.
    It always has and always will be broken somewhere. Bread and circuses.
     
    ginge, Dec 31, 2010
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  6. ginge

    ginge Guest

    But more significantly by people not dying anywhere near soon enough.
     
    ginge, Dec 31, 2010
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  7. ginge

    ginge Guest

    One could say the same of all the people borrowing beyond their means,
    creating the credit and housing bubbles in the first place.
     
    ginge, Dec 31, 2010
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  8. ginge

    Krusty Guest

    Sure, some companies are scumbags, no doubt about that. But again, it's
    not all their fault is it? Most people will end up with small pensions
    because they don't pay enough in themselves, not because their
    employers have screwed them over (& I include myself in that group).

    But who does that article say is "public enemy number one when it comes
    to pensions"? Not the corporations, but Gordon Brown. It's yet another
    area of financial services that he had over a decade to fix, but
    instead he just made it far, far worse. Blame what the Tories did three
    decades if you like, but if you've got three successive terms in
    government & still don't change something, it's because you don't want
    to.
     
    Krusty, Dec 31, 2010
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  9. ginge

    M J Carley Guest

    Unilever are not an isolated case:

    Collectively, according to Inland Revenue figures, employers saved
    almost 18bn during the 1990s pension holidays - although staff were
    forced to carry on making payments. It was a time of booming
    corporate profits, although in hindsight much of that profit came
    directly from the savings in pension contributions.

    So companies were `profitable' because they were stealing their
    employees' pay.
    The article doesn't: the economic adviser to the Ernst and Young ITEM
    club does.
     
    M J Carley, Dec 31, 2010
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    boots Guest

    Not that easy to research it from where I am currently typing but my
    recollection is that the government accounting rules penalised
    companies if they didn't take a break when the funds were in surplus.
     
    boots, Dec 31, 2010
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  11. ginge

    Krusty Guest

    I didn't say they were.
    Don't be ridiculous. Employer pension contributions are not "employees'
    pay", & they weren't 'stolen'. They're a voluntary perk that can be
    legally withdrawn at any time.
    Semantics in the extreme, and many other experts agreed with them.
     
    Krusty, Dec 31, 2010
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  12. The difference being, they weren't so-called 'professionals' in the
    finance trade. Like lambs to the slaughter they were and made lots of
    money for the greedy cunts working the levers of the system like there
    was no tomorrow.
    I think it behooves the cunts in the finance industry to keep their
    fucking heads below the fucking parapet for while yet. I ain't fucking
    finished and my gun's still loaded.
     
    Grimly Curmudgeon, Dec 31, 2010
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  13. ginge

    M J Carley Guest

    Pensions are deferred pay.
     
    M J Carley, Dec 31, 2010
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  14. ginge

    ginge Guest

    Blame culture is great isn't it?
     
    ginge, Dec 31, 2010
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  15. Sounds like Marconi.
     
    Mick Whittingham, Dec 31, 2010
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  16. ginge

    Krusty Guest

    Investments are more my area than pensions, but 'deferred pay' always
    used to be a specific type of final salary scheme where the employer
    *couldn't* reduce their contribution. So completely irrelevant to this
    topic.
     
    Krusty, Dec 31, 2010
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    Ben Guest

    Watched the news the other day where they were happily announcing 1 in
    5 will now live to 100.

    Doesn't that make retirement at 65 a little silly?
     
    Ben, Dec 31, 2010
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  18. ginge

    Krusty Guest

    Not if the other 80% die at 66.
     
    Krusty, Dec 31, 2010
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  19. ginge

    ginge Guest

    It does, but I'm also not convinced living to 100 will be a good thing
    for everyone given the chance of Alzheimer's increasing with age.

    Time for carousel.
     
    ginge, Dec 31, 2010
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    boots Guest

    At least everyday everything will be new & sup rising.
     
    boots, Dec 31, 2010
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