So, is Vince out of a job?

Discussion in 'UK Motorcycles' started by ginge, Dec 21, 2010.

  1. Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, Stephen
    <Looks ruefully at "in" tray, nods>
     
    Wicked Uncle Nigel, Dec 29, 2010
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  2. ginge

    wessie Guest

    To answer this and your reply to Champ below:

    Did you read the paragraph of LN's post I quoted, which referred to HE
    moving to a market economy?

    My point is that that market economy is already here. Academia has
    always been a cut-throat environment, with peer recognition and a
    departmental chair as the objectives. This is changing to "how many
    dollars, euros & pounds of research money do you bring in". The funding
    then supports cheap PhD students to do the research rather than
    expensive old pros like Ivan.

    In response to your reply to Champ about PhD funding. There is a
    potential conflict of interest. As you say, often a PhD student has a
    fixed bursary to complete their degree in a fixed timescale. Teaching
    has always been part of the role as it allows the student to develop
    their skills but more importantly, their research needs to be
    disseminated to undergraduates so that current research material is
    integrated into the curriculum. The conflict comes when cash strapped
    universities ask PhD students to deliver entire modules, preparing and
    delivering 12 lectures, setting and marking coursework & exams. This
    will dilute the time available to work on the PhD project itself.
    Intermediate papers may not get published, conferences may be skipped
    and ultimately the overall quality of the research could be diminished.
    That's when the funding bodies, especially private enterprise, will say,
    "**** this for a game of soldiers, why should we be subsidising teaching
    departments?"
     
    wessie, Dec 29, 2010
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  3. ginge

    Lady Nina Guest

    We're not surprised, they're not just finding their way in.

    This goes further. Everything the tories are doing now is an
    ideological purge.

    You (and far too many others) have sucked up the propaganda, rolled
    over and are happy to be fucked over by big business profits coming
    before those little things that people fought and died for and are now
    being eroded - job security, decent working conditions, holidays, sick
    pay, reasonable working hours.

    I am going to support my colleagues, my students, my friends, my union
    in fighting what is happening now.

    This is about the sort of society I want my children to live in. It's
    not the one we've got now. It's broken.

    And yes, I'm still time stretched so you get links...

    If you only watch one video then make it this one, 2 minutes of your
    time.

    "Why cuts are the wrong cure"



    An article before the recent Ukuncut protests talking about why
    'ethics and ideology are once more at the forefront of political
    contest in Britain.'

    http://www.opendemocracy.net/ourkingdom/alan-finlayson/philosophical-significance-of-uk-uncut

    The need to cut the debt argument in pictures

    http://falseeconomy.org.uk/blog/video-a-brilliant-demolition-of-osbornes-austerity-economics/1

    and words

    http://falseeconomy.org.uk/cure/what-do-the-experts-say
     
    Lady Nina, Dec 30, 2010
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  4. ginge

    Pip Luscher Guest

    US, Europe or ME, maybe. Ever been to Shenzhen in China? Much as I
    like China, with the above exception, all that I enjoy doing is here
    in the UK and I hate being sent abroad.
     
    Pip Luscher, Dec 30, 2010
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    Pip Luscher Guest

    I think this has a lot to do with it: it might be worthwhile for large
    companies but small-to-intermediate companies don't get the benefits.

    The company I work for has the SW department in the UK, but shipped
    hardware development abroad. Unfortunately this means that SW/hardware
    integration and IT (there's no IT department on the overseas office;
    it's too small to have one) are split across time zones, which has
    caused much hand-wringing from the HW people.

    Language is a slight issue: email is fine but phone conversations can
    be hard work sometimes.
     
    Pip Luscher, Dec 30, 2010
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    Andy Bonwick Guest

    The novelty of working all over the World wore off about 20 years ago
    for me and I've now got it written into my contract that I only have
    to do a maximum of three weeks before I can come home.
     
    Andy Bonwick, Dec 30, 2010
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  7. ginge

    Stephen Guest

    Yes, spent a couple of weeks in Shenzhen and I wouldn't want to spend
    more time there but would if asked. Fortunately it's not where my
    crowd locate people, our office in that area's in HongKong.

    Personally I don't want to be sent abroad but many of my team have
    pushed for it.
     
    Stephen, Dec 30, 2010
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  8. ginge

    Krusty Guest

    And everything you're doing is driven by hatred of the Tories, &
    nothing to do with any sort of social ideology. Which is presumably why
    you singled out the Tories rather than saying the coalition (remind me
    which party Vince belongs to?).
    Alternative (& equally as valid) opinion - you (and far too many
    others) have sucked up the (opposing) propaganda.
    I'm sure they'll be delighted when they retire & discover their
    pensions are worthless as you've wiped out 'big business profits'.

    How about educating your students instead? If I see one more
    complaining about the cuts because "everyone should be entitled to a
    free education" I'm going to scream. They lost any sympathy I may have
    had when it became clear they're mostly just regurgitating the bullshit
    no doubt fed to them by the unions rather than bothering to find out
    the facts for themselves.
    If that's true (which I doubt), how much campaigning/protesting did you
    do when Labour introduced university fees? Or when they doubled them a
    couple of years later, using a very dodgy bit of vote hoarding from
    Scottish MPs to counter the fact that all the Tory & LibDem MPs were
    voting against it?

    How much protesting did you do about Labour introducing the 18% flat
    rate CGT, which of course was a lovely benefit to the rich?

    And the biggie, how much protesting did you do about Labour's continued
    ethnic cleansing of the Chagossians? You know, those black Brits that
    Labour kept out of their homeland by using Orders in Council to
    overturn a High Court decision, & did so on the day of local elections
    to ensure the news got buried. And then, in the run up to the general
    election last year, they announce out of nowhere that they've turned
    the Chagos Islands into a huge nature reserve, which thanks to
    Wikileaks we know was done to ensure the Chagossians would never be
    able to return. You want your children to live in a society governed by
    people who can do that?
    A load of emotive rubbish, with yet another "I can't afford to go to
    university".
    Funny, I don't remember the news being full of protests about tax
    loopholes during the 13 years Labour were in a position to do something
    about them. Why is that I wonder? I also wonder how many of those
    protestors have the faintest idea how much tax is paid by 'Philip
    Green's empire'. I wouldn't give a stuff if he didn't pay a single
    penny in personal tax. Think of it as a bonus for giving all those
    thousands of employees a job, & the tax generated as a direct result of
    his success.
    It's hard to know where to start with that. Some of it's obviously
    bollocks. E.g. I didn't realise the top 60% never need the Police or
    hospitals, & I didn't realise only the bottom 40% provided all the
    money to bail out the banks (implied), & that the top 60% won't be
    contributing to the bailout. So given the fact that all those
    statements are obviously bollocks, & easily proven as such, why should
    we believe his opinion on the stuff that can't be proven?

    Then there's the underlying current in all those links (especially the
    first) that the financial crisis is the fault of the banks. It isn't.
    Sure they were complicit, but they didn't cause it, the US Federal
    Reserve did by keeping interest rates artifically low, coupled with the
    US banks being forced to lend to people who couldn't afford it by the
    community housing act. Then of course there was the lack of regulation
    - the fault of the governments not the banks. But blaming the big evil
    coporations is far more fun isn't it.

    <vent over>

    Back to work now, cos I'm one of those people doing lots of extra
    unpaid work to ensure my company keeps its head above water & myself &
    my colleagues don't end up jobless.
     
    Krusty, Dec 30, 2010
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    davethedave Guest

    If the want rid of you that badly.........
     
    davethedave, Dec 30, 2010
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    M J Carley Guest

    Pensions have already been wiped out by the practices of businesses
    trying to make large profits.
     
    M J Carley, Dec 30, 2010
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  11. ginge

    Krusty Guest

    Whereas I've done (& am doing) much of the above working for my current
    small company, but never did when I worked for a large multi-national.
    Go figure!
     
    Krusty, Dec 30, 2010
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  12. ginge

    Krusty Guest

    I have several databases in front of me with thousands of real people's
    pension details which says you're wrong. Some of course have been
    massively reduced by businesses /failing/ to make big profits.
     
    Krusty, Dec 30, 2010
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    Pete Fisher Guest

    Snouts in troughs. A good reminder why self regulation isn't a terribly
    good idea when loadsa money is involved.

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    Pete Fisher, Dec 30, 2010
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    Ace Guest

    Ah, but their failure may surely in turn be blamed on _other_
    businesses succeeding in making large profits, so it's still all the
    fault of the dreaded capitalists.
     
    Ace, Dec 30, 2010
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    Krusty Guest

    Heh. Possibly true, except any decent fund manager will invest in
    market sectors rather than sticking to specific companies, & move the
    funds around within those sectors as necessary. Which funnily enough is
    exactly the process I'm working on at the moment.
     
    Krusty, Dec 30, 2010
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  16. ginge

    Andy Bonwick Guest

    Do you *really* believe that?

    Even in my maddest hour I wouldn't claim the pensions have been wiped
    out by businesses when there's been a lot more to blame than just
    them.
     
    Andy Bonwick, Dec 30, 2010
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    Stephen Guest

    Utter and complete bullshit.
     
    Stephen, Dec 30, 2010
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  18. ginge

    Stephen Guest

    Or, alternatively, Gordon Brown's raid on pension funds via the
    dividend tax and also the changes made to the funding levels companies
    need to maintain in their pension funds; all of which pushed a lot of
    companies to limit their liabilities by closing final salary schemes.

    Nice work New Labour.
     
    Stephen, Dec 30, 2010
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  19. ginge

    Stephen Guest

    <SNIP>

    Thank **** for that. You saved me writing something.

    I'm getting increasingly irritated by the amount of rubbish and mis-
    information being vented all over the place.

    About four weeks ago I was berating my Children for NOT
    demonstrating. Looking at how things are developing I'm completely
    switched off. The behaviour of outfits like UKUncut etc. etc. are
    such that I've been pushed away from supporting the student situation.

    The current loan situation allows the poorest children to graduate
    with a max. tuition debt of less than 10k. Seems reasonable to me.
    Around what paid for my part time study if you include inflation. In
    reality the change is a reaction to Labour's expansion of the
    education system to an unsustainable target.

    Sick and tired of the hysteria.
     
    Stephen, Dec 30, 2010
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  20. ginge

    Stephen Guest

    I don't think that's correct. I believe society also benefits from
    education.

    However I also think the UK finances are in a shitty state- we were
    close to having our sovereign debt down-graded with the risk of
    increases in interest rates that follow. If we look at when the UK
    left the ERM it's painful when the markets turn on a country and maybe
    the attempt to remove the structural deficit from the balance sheet in
    four years is what stopped the markets pushing hard on the UK- unlike
    Greece, Portugal, Spain and Ireland.

    I don't agree with tuition fees. However when you look at the level
    of the fees for the poorest students (who get grants) they are
    significantly lower than those paid by the rest of the students.
    And... since they only need to be repaid once the students reach a
    certain income level I don't *logically* see any reason why poor
    students should be subsidised (effectively) by middle-income
    students.

    In reality the tuition fees are not an attack on the poor, they are
    another tax on the middle income/middle classes.
     
    Stephen, Dec 30, 2010
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