Snotoiler

mb wrote on 27/05/2007 :

It does get more oil, but simply because the engine is likely to be
running for a longer time - nothing what so ever to do with the
distance it has travelled.

Leave the engine running parked on the stand for two hours and you get
the same amount of oil delivered as you would riding that bike 200
miles in the two hours. Uselessly the oil will just leave a puddle
under the bike.

Mine gets no oil until it moves and will get exactly the same quantity
delivered to it if I do the 200 miles in two hours or two days, always
providing it doesn't rain - now that is proportional.

The more precisely the oil is delivered based upon need, the less is
needed and the less mess.

Ideally the Scott oiler needs to be adjusted constantly to suite the
operating conditions of the bike. As that cannot really be done you aim
to set it for an average need - far too much around town, not enough on
the open road. Add in the viscosity changes and you need to adjust it
every time the weather warms or cools.

I spend no time looking after and adjusting the lubrication of mine,
apart from a rare check on the oil level - I can just ride it.

 

Look, Harry, I'll say this once again; More distance = more oil. How do
you work out that this has "nothing whatsoever" to do with the distance?

Because everyone leaves their bikes running for extended periods of time
on the stand? How would your chain do with 2 hours on a dyno?

That's proportional with distance and oil amount. Not time.

And you think Scottoiler users spend a great deal of time with checking
and adjusting?

 

mb pretended :

Simply because their is no DIRECT relationship between the two. It
dumps oil on the chain whether there is distance covered or not.

 

Just because there isn't a direct relationship doesn't mean that oil
feed isn't proportional with distance.

I live in the real world; I don't leave my bike running on the stand for
extended periods, most of the time the engine is running, the bike is
moving. Therefore, I'd say that there is a proportional relationship
between oil amount and distance.

Harry, is that you?;
http://www.mccoi-forum.de/viewtopic.php?t=273

 

No, it's the other M1BYT.

 

mb explained on 27/05/2007 :

Eh? The only way for it to be reasonably proportional, or have some
sort of relationship one to the other - would be for you to always do
identical runs. Visit the same places and at quite similar speeds and
under the same temperature conditions.

 

You're trying to fix a problem that only exists in your head.
Scottoilers work, end of story.

 

Hmmm... dead reliable.
--
Dave
GS850x2 XS650 SE6a

Teach a man to fish and he and his pikey mates will have the
river cleaned out in a day.

 

Grimly Curmudgeon explained on 27/05/2007 :

 

DR formulated the question :

They work, but there are better ways to achieve the same end with a
more reliable, predictable and cleaner result.

When I first looked at adding a chain lube system, I looked at all of
the many systems which were available, including both the Scott and the
Mccoi. I discounted the Scott because it was such a crude system and
would obviously need constant adjustment and at times leave a trail of
oil.

I liked the idea of the Mccoi because it was could be so accurately
set, the viscosity (within limits) would make no difference and the
fact that it was so well supported. Its bad point (and still only bad
point), was that being a German there might be problems with the
translation.

It does the job without any intervention from me, which I was certain
the Scott would not have done. I am well satisfied with the results and
the extra cost was well worth while. My only criticism of the Mccoi is
of the hypo needles it used to deliver the oil to the chain and I soon
improved on that by replacing them with a commercially made item.

The Germans say the needles work, but I could not make them stay put -
so I resolved it my own way.

 

Sigh, have you ever heard of the term "commuting"? I believe this would
give the conditions you describe above.

 

He shoots, he scores. Hah!

Funny, my uncomplicated Scottoiler never did that and has always done what
it said on the tin.

 

Harry Bloomfield wrote;

"Doorstops sir? Of course, we have a large selection of doorstops.
You can have the wooden wedge, the patented rubber wedge or, the one I
consider most suitable for sir's requirements, the nuclear-powered,
radar-guided, homing doorstop self-assembly kit. It's only a few pounds
more, but provides the added interest of requiring considerable
modification and many additional parts (no sir, I'm afraid they're not
available as part of the kit).
Yes sir, they are the logical choice. You'll take two? How very wise
sir...".

 

Harry Bloomfield wrote:
-snip-

There's absolutely nothing "obviously" wrong with the Scottoiler.
I've had one on every bike I've owned for the last 15 years (which is
5 bikes), and they do what they say on the tin. No puddles of oil.
Chains which last much longer (my current Blackbird is on 20k with
original chain and sprockets). Ok, they do deposit some oil around
the general area of the chainguard (or it gets flung there), but I've
never found oil on the tyre anywhere where it could be an issue. My
bikes do a mix (or did in the past) of a daily commute along with
weekend rides and trips across Europe, all without incident.

 

That hasn't happened here.

 

I did 18,000 on my last gixxer on the original C & S, it's simply a matter
of spraying regularly [1] with good quality lube QED

[1] approx 400 to 500 miles and takes less than 5 minutes

 

Which mine doesn't (no it hasn't run out of oil). I set it on some
setting, filled it with some oil and that's it. There is no puddle on
the garage floor (I got off my lardy arse and looked).

 

I'll be very glad when I get over this mid life crisis biking thing.

Sometimes I think it would have been cheaper to have had a mistress
instead. Probably similar amounts of fun.

I keep the K75S to remind me that I can still do mechanical stuff. Last
time I looked the thing had trouble starting and running. After taking
the tank off and emptying the fuel (SORNED for nearly 4 years now) it
turned out to be a faulty cell in the battery. Time to sell I think, it
was a brand new battery put in when I SORNED it. So far it's had a new
rear master cylinder, handlebar grips, battery and front wheel bearings
and it's not been on the road in that time :-( .

 

I have to admit that my own experience with a scottoiler were not
wholly successful. Mine used to loose it's injector pipe whilst on the
move, causing the reservoir to dump it's contents all over the rear
tyre. Despite my best efforts (i.e cable ties / glue / swearing etc.)
the injector pipe would not stay put. In the end I just stopped using
it.

Chain lubing is really not a biggie, but then I don't use the bike
every day like others.



--
Dan L

http://thebikeshed.spaces.live.com/
1996 Kawasaki ZR1100 Zephyr

BOTAFOT #140 (KotL 2005/6/7)
X-FOT#000
DIAABTCOD #26
BOMB#18 (slow)
OMF#11

 

That's my take on heated grips.