SMIDSY: ER-5 vs Honda Civic

Discussion in 'UK Motorcycles' started by BGN, Oct 4, 2005.

  1. BGN

    BGN Guest

    Casualties: ER-5 left mirror, few chips of paint on engine bar + Honda
    Civic bonnet.

    <sigh>

    Background: Half day holiday today, set off from work at 12:40. Just
    got out of Alford Bros. motorcycle shoppe in Folkestone as I was
    trying to sort out a test ride of a Suzuki DL1000 V-Strom. They had
    none in stock, so I was setting off on my journey home on ER-5. Bright
    and sunny day, not much wind, just before 1pm. Not speeding. Headlamp
    on.

    Map: http://hayn.gotadsl.co.uk/bike/smidsy/map.gif

    Story: Just set off from Alford Bros. in Folkestone, heading clockwise
    around The Saga Building in Middleburg Square.

    Silver Honda Civic stops at Give Way line in Bouvery Place (next to
    bus station) and looks left, then right in my direction. Confident
    that he has seen my large frame + bike with active headlamp I carry on
    at the usual speed, which isn't fast on that road (Lozzo probably
    knows it?) when it's busy.

    Quite close to the junction now, I notice movement from the wheel on
    the Civic and it edges forward about a foot on the give way line, so I
    move further to the right on my lane in case he does anything funny.

    Civic then pulls out of junction and then stops quickly, covering the
    whole lane. I can't get past. I do some creative braking and look
    for an escape route which is now only possible in front of the
    stationary car if I try really hard. While trying to shave off some
    speed I have a quick internal debate about which part of the car would
    be most soft and aim for just in front of the bumper (wishful
    thinking) and manage to aim for a 'clean' pass but the car starts to
    edge forward again.

    Now sure the Civic has got it in for me I stick out my left
    steel-capped boot and place it firmly on the bonnet of the car (to
    straighten up the bike, officer) while heavily pushing on the rear
    brake.

    I pass the car, rear wheel locks up and I whack the road with bike on
    my left leg still in the sitting position. After a quick glance
    around to see if anything is likely to run me over I see the Civic is
    still blocking the lane. Hit kill switch, remove hand from clutch,
    and extract leg from under bike. Quickly look around to see if
    anything unexpected is likely to happen. There's another bike very
    close to the other side of the Civic.

    Not only had the Civic pulled out in front of me, but a GSXR 750 too.
    I got a nod from the bloke on the Suzuki and I nodded back, removed my
    helmet, placed a Dunhill International between my lips and found my
    lighter.

    My New Best Mate Dave on the Suzuki walked his bike in front of the
    Civic, much to the annoyance of the driver (who now couldn't escape
    without knocking it over) and helped me get the ER-5 shiny side up.

    He assures me that the Civic pulled out after the driver looked right
    and that he had to brake heavily to avoid planting his bike in the
    side of it and remarks that had he been as close as I was then he
    wouldn't have had many options apart from riding into the car or try
    to escape around it.

    We walked around to the other side of the car and the Civic driver got
    out and I introduced myself, "Hello there. I'm Nick and that's my
    bike over there. Please look where you're going in the future as one
    day you're really going to hurt someone."

    "I didn't see you" says Mr. Civic

    "You didn't see *us*," My New Best Mate Dave chips in, "and Nick's
    big."

    Mr. Civic and I swap telephone numbers/addresses as he doesn't have
    his insurance details to hand. He's shaking so much that I think
    about offering to move his car out of the way so he can get something
    to drink. Just as I'm about to open my mouth he adds "I only moved
    out because you were indicating right."

    MNBMDave and I look at each other and he says "You've already let us
    know you didn't see him."

    I glance over at my bike and the headlamp is on, key is in the
    ignition ON position, signals are off. Keeping an open mind I rewind
    and remember signalling left to park on the pavement down the side of
    Alford Bros. as when I returned to my bike to go home it was still
    signalling left, I cancelled the signal and then set off on my
    journey. "I wasn't signalling at all, I was going straight on."

    Mr. Civic gets all indignant and decides the damage to his car is all
    my fault.

    I am confident that someone pulling out from a side road into a main
    road in front of two motorcycles and not seeing either of them is
    probably slightly off his rocker.

    Tomorrow I'm going to call the police to get a reference. I haven't
    yet told my insurance company, but as he's disputing the fault and
    changed his story from "SMIDSY" to "You were indicating right" already
    I guess it would be a good move. I'm only insured TPF&T, there's no
    real damage to my bike (apart from the mirror) or clothing and I've
    got away with only a painful arm, but I have paid for their Legal
    Protection which chould come in handy. I think MNBMDave's eyewitness
    account will be very useful if Mr. Civic decides something else has
    happened.
     
    BGN, Oct 4, 2005
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  2. BGN

    Lozzo Guest

    BGN says...
    Glad you're not hurt. Now you can have all that prior accident damage
    repaired by the civic driver's insco. If it all goes well, I'd call that
    a result.
     
    Lozzo, Oct 4, 2005
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  3. BGN

    BGN Guest

    Hoho!
     
    BGN, Oct 4, 2005
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  4. BGN

    serf Guest

    Glad you're OK. Let's hope for a good result!
     
    serf, Oct 4, 2005
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  5. BGN

    Cane Guest

    "Nick and Dave, sitting in a tree...."

    Did you get his number?
     
    Cane, Oct 4, 2005
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  6. BGN

    BGN Guest

    Oh yes. I'm not letting that one get away without at least having a
    good go.
     
    BGN, Oct 4, 2005
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  7. In uk.rec.motorcycles, BGN amazed us all with this pearl of wisdom:
    Glad you're ok, matey and your NBMDave :)

    If you can get your bike fixed by their insurance I'd take that as God's
    way of telling you to get rid of that HOS and buy another bike :)
     
    Whinging Courier, Oct 4, 2005
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  8. BGN wrote
    You walked away, be grateful.

    Listen to Uncle Lozzo, he right about taking the lying **** for all you
    can while you can. If you need justification then just remember who is
    changing his story and why. It might even be worth a formal statement
    to plod.
     
    steve auvache, Oct 4, 2005
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  9. BGN

    BGN Guest

    I was only yards from a Suzuki & Yamaha dealership, trying to organise
    a test ride. :) This might be a signal. I've arranged a test ride of
    a Tiger and a V-Strom at a Triumph dealer next week.

    On an unrelated matter, what are you doing Saturday? Robbo has hinted
    that there might be a south-eastern bimble to play with prawn now he
    has his new bike.
     
    BGN, Oct 4, 2005
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  10. In uk.rec.motorcycles, BGN amazed us all with this pearl of wisdom:
    Those are good bikes. Try riding a few other (silly) ones, too. Just for
    the fun of it :)
    I've got a funny feeling I'm busy but I can't for the life of me think
    what it is. I was supposed to be getting my tatt finished but as I left
    Rye early last weekend I bought it forward and had it done then. Maybe
    that's it...
     
    Whinging Courier, Oct 4, 2005
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  11. BGN

    JackH Guest

    I'm probably up for that...
     
    JackH, Oct 4, 2005
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  12. In uk.rec.motorcycles, JackH amazed us all with this pearl of wisdom:
    Are you any good with valve clearances?

    Screw and Locknut?

    I'll bring the rat but it really is a fucking rattlefest and I'm almost
    loathed to bring it. It doesn't stop rattling even when warm now and
    although people bleat on about the camchain tentioner, I've always felt
    it was the VCs.
     
    Whinging Courier, Oct 4, 2005
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  13. BGN

    BGN Guest

    That's good.

    What did you do with your Urban Fireblade? I remember you saying that
    you had the option of returning it to the shop if you didn't like it
    within a certain number of days, but I don't recall you mentioning
    your decision.
     
    BGN, Oct 4, 2005
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  14. big snip


    well at least you walked away from it .

    get yourself checked by the doc and report the accident to the plod
     
    Steve Robinson, Oct 4, 2005
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  15. BGN

    JackH Guest

    The seller offered to contribute towards some of the work... but it had too
    many issues overall, and I ended up with a refund - it was quite amicable.

    So anyway, it'll be the mighty shite old XJ600, I'll be turning up on...

    Hopefully the lightly weeping fork seal won't decide to let go properly, mid
    ride. ;-)
     
    JackH, Oct 4, 2005
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  16. BGN

    Scraggy Guest

    Glad you're OK.

    Basic bit of advice I was given years ago.
    If you are in the right(or think you are), ALWAYS call the police. Enquire
    about charges of dangerous driving/driving without due care etc It lends
    weight to your case etc,
    If you think you may be in the wrong, exchange details & POQ. Consider your
    statement to your insurer emphasising points in your favour.

    HTH
     
    Scraggy, Oct 4, 2005
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  17. BGN

    BGN Guest

    Oh well. It's a shame when things don't work out.
    I'll be on my freshly binned 50bhp ER-500, so at least you'll have
    company at the back.

    I'm up for it, you're up for it, prawn is up for it, and I think WC
    might be. Now all we're missing is the delightful Robbo's
    contribution. Hopefully he's available as he suggested it in the
    first place.

    Hopefully it'll be a dry day, one of the last before it starts to
    snow.
     
    BGN, Oct 4, 2005
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  18. BGN

    BGN Guest

    We really must take both of the ER-5's out for a zoom, dear.
    I was going to mention that you were a Canterbruy peeper, but didn't
    want to out you to the rest of the group.
     
    BGN, Oct 4, 2005
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  19. BGN

    JackH Guest

    I'll have to keep an eye out for that one.

    Biz, if you see a fat bloke on a not so shite F plate XJ600 wafting about,
    feel free to wave. :)
     
    JackH, Oct 4, 2005
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  20. BGN

    Fr Jack Guest

    Glad you're reasonably OK, but FFS, are you some kind of trouble magnet?
    ;-)
    --

    Cheers!
    Fr Jack
    90 CB450DX (The Moped)
    FRJACKUKRM AT GMAIL DOT COM
    skype: fr.jack (without the dot)
    We'll open up your eyes,
    just to check that you're asleep, again
     
    Fr Jack, Oct 4, 2005
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