Since we were on the subject of documentaries...

Discussion in 'Texas Bikers' started by Brian Walker, Mar 7, 2004.

  1. Brian Walker

    Brian Walker Guest

    I've been seeing a movie in the different stores and rental places
    which depicted September 11th and events. I didn't know anything about
    it other that just what I'd seen on the cover. While I wanted to watch
    something which would be "unbiased" about that day, I just looked at
    the cover as something trying to make political figures into something
    they're not. I read a review on this film and found out that I might
    want to see it after all. The film is titled "9/11" and is the only
    known footage of film which was inside the towers while the events
    were happening. After watching it, I can say that I'd recommend it to
    others as a "must see".

    I won't go into any details about the events in the film, but leave it
    to the viewer.

    Another film, on the other side that I wouldn't recommend is "Uncle
    Saddam". I also watched this one and it's just short of trash. It
    gives all the trivia garbage on Saddam Hussein, but never really gives
    any reasoning behind it.

    Easy Rider DVD is the same ole movie that everyone remembers, but
    going into the extras you get an hour segment that has interviews of
    how the movie came about. I didn't know that they used real people in
    the movie who really did talk to Peter Fonda, Dennis Hopper and Jack
    Nicolson that way. I wasn't really impressed that much with the movie
    itself (more than what I've seen before), but just the fact that it's
    digital and not a tape. I was sorta hoping they'd go more into the
    motorcycles rather than just talking about doing drugs and fighting.
    "Smokin' grass" might've been cool in 1969, but today in the age of
    computers, cell phones, laptops, digital cameras and DVDs it's just
    plain annoying when you're hoping for details and educational
    information about motorcycles and choppers. All I kept thinking for 59
    minutes out of the 62 minutes of extras was "what a bunch of dumbass
    drug induced losers". Then for about 32 seconds I was saying "this is
    your brain on drugs". 1 minute and 48 seconds was dedicated to what
    they used to build the bikes and what happened to the bikes after the
    movie was made. Nothing about what bike exploded. Nothing about
    building or riding the bikes. Just more drugs.

    My pick still has to go out to "Uncovered: The Whole Truth About The
    Iraq War". Even though "Waco: The Rules of Engagement" was good in the
    way it was done and some what of a background on what happened, the
    biggest eye-opener was from Uncovered and to see the lies which were
    thrust on us all in one segment. Time has a way to wear down intensity
    of a moment, so you tend to forget much of it as time goes by. This is
    how we have been lied to and allowed it to be passed over as harmless
    mistakes or bad information. When you see the entire time condensed to
    1 hour, you see that what was passed over is truly just out right and
    deliberate lies.

    Bowling for Columbine is also a good hit with me. And I'm still
    planning on getting me a copy of "Unprecedented: The 2000 Presidential
    Election" and watch it.
     
    Brian Walker, Mar 7, 2004
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    Bownse Guest

    I think tonight calls for a marathon.

    "I'm Gonna Get You Sucka" followed by "Undercover Brother"

    Or maybe the French w/English subtitles movie I've not yet watched,
    "Brotherhood of the Wolf"?
     
    Bownse, Mar 7, 2004
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  3. Brian Walker

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    I thought that "Bowling" was kind of schitzophrenic, in that Moore
    convincingly showed that gun ownership shouldn't be considered a cause of
    the tragedy in Columbine (because there are other countries with a "gun
    culture" that don't have much in the way of whacked-out killers like we have
    in the U.S.), yet he goes to embarass Charlton Heston and makes out that the
    NRA was one of the causes.

    So I'm not sure what Moore's whole point of the movie was.
     
    Wakko, Mar 7, 2004
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  4. Brian Walker

    Brian Walker Guest

    Well, you have to look at what the NRA states in their messages. Look
    at what it's members recite when discussing issues with others. Look
    at the whole "culture" we are under. It's laced with fear and
    suspicious thoughts.

    When someone goes to the wrong house for a costume party during
    Halloween and knocks on the door of someone who's afraid and convinced
    by all these groups that someone is going to come into their home with
    the intent to rape and commit other violent acts against his family,
    and gets shot to death for knocking on the door, that's what you need
    to be looking at. When someone kills their children and reports the
    crime as a car-jacking and says a "black man" did it, thus causing the
    entire country to become consumed within this massive manhunt to find
    this person instead of looking at the one person who did it, you have
    to be looking at what causes this.

    If you're looking at someone to answer one question from a movie, you
    won't find it with this one. You won't find this movie to solve any
    social issues or even take on responsibility for any actions. It
    simply makes an attempt to have you take a look at ourselves and how
    we live to see what we can do to make our own lives better. There are
    a quite many truths in the movie which aren't openly apparent if you
    don't look at it or are looking for answers.

    What I saw Moore did with the Charlton Heston interview was very
    effective. He didn't go there to "embarrass" anyone. He didn't pose
    his questions to be a trap for him to studder and be caught in a
    lie...thus saying "you sir are a liar". What Charlton Heston did was
    to embarrass himself by relating the "gun violence" to race and then
    to make it worse by becoming better than anyone else by his latter
    responses of the interview. If you notice, it was a very short
    interview. There wasn't much in the interview which could be debated
    on how it made Heston look one way or the other. In order for you to
    understand the effectiveness of Heston's interview, you have to
    compare his interview and how Dick Clark responded in his little spot
    with how a "maniac" like Marilyn Manson responded to questions. It
    makes you really wonder. In all reality, Manson had far worse
    questions posed to him than Heston did...and Manson didn't get upset
    and leave nor did he studder through what he was trying to say. The
    two contrasts spoke volumes. And that's why I said the Heston
    interview was very effective.

    As far as the NRA, Michael Moore has had an on-going thing with the
    NRA for quite sometime. They refuse to get on camera or to respond to
    anything which isn't scripted. Michael Moore doesn't work off scripts
    and therefore he catches them when they can't refer back to notes and
    give rehearsed responses. That's the NRA and how they operate. It's
    very effective, and it's also the same plan which Karl Rove has
    adopted for Bush over the past four years. If you've ever noticed, if
    Bush gets an unscripted question asked his response will be
    "uuuuhhhhh....I'm not really sure what that means". After that, the
    media will be asked to leave. What happens with the NRA, they run into
    a building and call the police to have whoever is asking the questions
    removed.
     
    Brian Walker, Mar 7, 2004
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